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21 December 2007 @ 01:48 am
Sachi's Choice  
ZOMG! I got two job offers today in the space of 10 minutes!! PEOPLE WANT MEEEE!!

I've interviewed twice at both places. Both are office manager/sales support positions, one for a new residential real estate group, and one for the what-the-heck-are-hydraulics-anyway? manufacturing/distribution plant. WHEEE.

However, both jobs will mean a significant step down in quality of life, either because of where the job is located and the commute (the hydraulics job, which is in the ghettoooooo and really really far away) or because no benefits equals out to a really major pay cut (at least $5000/year for health insurance alone for me, which, um, CANNOT AFFORD OMG) in the real estate job.

And I need to decide... BY NOON ON FRIDAY. Meaning, IN JUST A FEW HOURS. And I think I really have to take one or the other, because it took a month of solid interviewing so far to get a nibble. :-/

I was counter-offering most of the day and now have Final Bottom Line Offer from the real estate company (and they kind of told me that I'm way overpaid and will be way overpaid and that I should be willing to kill myself for less money for The Dream Of The Start-Up Company). No benefits, no paid time off, no flex scheduling, nothing. Wheeee. However, the job is in a more desirable location (across from my sister's office!) and it's still in real estate, which makes it really obvious next step on the resume. I would learn a lot, it would be challenging, and I would be kind of starving and living off ramen because, frustratingly, without company-paid benefits, a fucking third of my salary will be going to all my stupid medical expenses and buying ridiculously expensive COBRA insurance because I can't get insurance on my own. (WHY is it so freaking expensive for me to just NOT DIE!?)

I don't have a final offer from the hydraulics place, but all signs point to it being slightly less money than my current job, and slightly suckier benefits, but not enough to make that much of a difference. The downside of this job is that it's in the industrial ghetto, it's far as hell from where I live, there is absolutely nothing out there (not even a coffee shop! just self-serve auto wrecking!), and the job itself... will probably be pretty miserable. I will get to design my own job position, I will learn new things and be working in a new industry (which will actually be an industry), my managers are really cool, but a lot of the job will be repetitive (but with a zillion deadlines), I'll have to deal with 90% paperwork and 10% being yelled at on the phone by distributors, and it's definitely a job, not a career, and it doesn't feel like an opportunity as much as a paycheque. It's admin, though, so it certainly wouldn't ruin my resume.

So, FUCK. What do I doooo? Both jobs will be high-stress, the real estate one because it's kind of fucking insane (though likely fun) to assist three high-producing agents at the same time and the hydraulics one because it will be doing all entirely new things. My instincts are telling me to go with the real estate job because of the learning and growth potential, but it will mean having zero spending money and still going into debt by possibly a few hundred bucks a month. Both jobs have nice people. Yay?

It's a good problem to have in the current market -- choosing between two jobs -- it's just a bit stressful to have my options boiled down to two, and both are a step down. Eh. The real estate lady wasn't willing to give me any time off (I asked for 16 hours a month -- two days) to do freelance work to make up the shortfall, because for the money she damned well wants me at least 40 hours a week, and why aren't I just freelancing on Saturdays? (Um, because I'm fucking EXHAUSTED?) So I will freelance on Saturdays.

If I am 1099 at the real estate job (and therefore can deduct expenses), I can swing it (though never having any time off? The SUCK). If the hydraulics job comes back with an offer that would be higher than what I'm making now, maybe I would have to suck it up and work there for a year.

Either way, I'm totally going to be employed!
 
 
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Clydesuzvoy on December 21st, 2007 10:48 am (UTC)
I seriously don't envy your position. I hope you make the best decision, whatever that is! *snugs*
Havochavocthecat on December 21st, 2007 12:52 pm (UTC)
OMG! Okay, there's suckage to be had, because, yes. I get that. But employment! Means paycheck! While you look for a better job quietly if you have to! *glomps on you and hugs you*

And of course they want you to work for them! You're awesome!
Samin_parentheses on December 21st, 2007 01:29 pm (UTC)
I don't know if you're actually asking for advice here, but if it were me...I think I'd take the hydraulics job. If they give you paid time off and insurance, that will make you *so* much less stressed out, I think, and more likely to stay healthy. Plus, if you have paid time off, you can do real estate freelance from that job.

Honestly, the "you should be THRILLED to work all the time for no money and no benefits!" attitude of the real estate company is a HUGE red flag for me. When you get sick, they're going to make you come in anyway. When you need to take a couple of days of unpaid leave, they're going to make a big deal out of it. This is not the job for a person with less-than-perfect health.

Either way, you won't be in this job forever. Keep looking for something better. You don't owe Random Company You're Adminning For *anything*, so if you get something better within a few months, go!

Good luck, and congratulations on job offers! :)
Ravennoradannan on December 21st, 2007 02:05 pm (UTC)
I'm with Sam on this one. If you think the hydraulics job itself will drive you insane, that's an important thing to keep in mind. But beware of the 'do anything for the company' attitude. Seriously. Because 'no time off' scales really quickly to 'unpaid overtime.' And insurance? Very important. It keeps the moon from falling.

Congrats on the offers, but don't do anything for the sake of your career - people get that the job market sucks right now, so having a job at all is good. And, as was pointed out above, you can always go somewhere else. Besides, you know, hydraulics are pretty cool. :P
Havochavocthecat on December 21st, 2007 02:26 pm (UTC)
Honestly, the "you should be THRILLED to work all the time for no money and no benefits!" attitude of the real estate company is a HUGE red flag for me.

Hi, you don't know me, but I COMPLETELY agree with you.
Jainabrightcupenny on December 21st, 2007 03:39 pm (UTC)
I'll third this. A company that thinks "We are so awesome that we don't need to give you any time off or benefits" = RUN AWAY NOW.

Also, this:

and they kind of told me that I'm way overpaid and will be way overpaid and that I should be willing to kill myself for less money for The Dream Of The Start-Up Company

Not cool. At all. You know how much money you need to live and how much you're worth. Don't let someone tell you less!

*hugs*

Edited at 2007-12-21 03:41 pm (UTC)
~mommy monster~: john mistletoemomm2five on December 21st, 2007 03:52 pm (UTC)
Gonna add my .02 to this line here. I was thinking the same thing . . . I'd be very careful of the real estate thing . . .

But woo hoo!! 2 Job offers! WTG!
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nynyzie on December 22nd, 2007 03:05 am (UTC)
second this! if you take either of these, you should still keep applying for more jobs (maybe after a beach break - sunlamp and sandbox?).
i would be so offended by the real estate co saying i was overpaid. that's a crap bullying move. The *industry* is in the toilet, not your abilities. They just want to be able to get away with paying less.
do you get benefits right away with the hydraulics job?
Rose Wilde-Irishrosewildeirish on December 21st, 2007 01:56 pm (UTC)
YAY for job offers! :) *hugs you and sends you smart vibes for the decision*
indie: Bubba :)indiefic on December 21st, 2007 02:27 pm (UTC)
Multiple job offers is good. Yay!!

And just remember that just because you accept one doesn't necessarily mean you have to stop looking.
Opaloparu on December 21st, 2007 02:49 pm (UTC)
Can you do anything for discount insurance? Does Portland have any programs for that?

What kind of time off with hydraulics give you? I don't like real estate lady's notion that working there is amazing. If it was that amazing, she wouldn't have to pay you more money. Don't like feeling indebted to companies. *shakes head*

Yay work but it sounds like neither of them is permanent. Maybe you want to see what crazy hydraulics-ghetto-crush-your-own-car-on-lunch is like on the pay scale?
YBjusthere1971 on December 21st, 2007 03:04 pm (UTC)
I am with the rest of the gang here. The whole "sacrifice a lamb or limb" attitude of the real estate lady scares me.
You can always look at this as a stepping stone. Just because you got the job, you don't stop sending out resumes or stop interviewing.

Gennavagenna on December 21st, 2007 06:44 pm (UTC)
As someone who just left a company that basically said to me, "what do you mean you want to take your contractually mandated days off? Don't you care about The Cause (tm)? I don't care if its the Jewish holiday" I advise you to be careful of the Real Estate Lady. I'm not telling you not to take the job. Building a resume is important, and will allow you to move diagonally upward. If you want to make a career in Real Estate, then having two real estate jobs that will give you strong references is a good move. But be careful. There are many many bosses out there who will take advantage of someone with a strong work ethic. You will become emotionally invested in the company or at least in your own work, and will want to see it succeed. They will take that one step further and try to convince you that you should sacrifice more and more for that company's success, even at your own detriment.

So take the job if you think its the right job. But don't forget that it is just a job. Keep an eye on the market, look for better jobs. Tell them, once they've come to rely on you, that you want a raise or that you want them to contribute to your health insurance. If they claim that they can't because they are too small, do a bit of research. There are insurance plans designed for small companies or groups of small companies that get together to purchase group insurance. And if it's making you sick or sad, leave.
Lisa Yaegerlisayaeger on December 21st, 2007 07:06 pm (UTC)
I'm going to offer completely different advice: don't take either. If you've been offered two jobs in 10 minutes, even after a month of looking, you will get 2 more before you know it. You deserve benefits, paid time off and people who feel LUCKY to have you. Until then, stay on unemployment or do temping. You deserve way better than this, and you'll get it.
Little Red: peanuts - rescue memylittleredgirl on December 21st, 2007 07:12 pm (UTC)
That's what my dad said when I called him just now! But... aughh! I feel like I'll be throwing away opportunities and what if I can't find a job I'll like more??

I have a probation period built into the real estate job, so it's possible I could take it and then not proceed with it if they're psycho?

OMG, ADVISE. *clings*
Lisa Yaegerlisayaeger on December 21st, 2007 07:19 pm (UTC)
That's the thing though, these aren't opportunities. They are crap jobs who don't want to pay you what you're worth. There isnt' a doubt in my mind that you will get a better offer.

You could take the RE job and leave it when you find something better, but I advise against doing too much of that for fear of your resume lookng like you "job hop."

I know it's tempting to take one of these, to feel like you HAVE to take one of these. But you don't. Think of it like dating. You get offers, and you might even try one or two, but mostly it's just a waste of time until you find the right person. You wouldn't go out with either of these jobs if they were guys asking you on a date, right? Well, you spend a hell of a lot more time at work then you do with someone you're dating. Just the way my crazy brain works.

I really think your dad is right. *HUGS*
Little Red: peanuts - ruin autobiographymylittleredgirl on December 21st, 2007 07:39 pm (UTC)
I guess I'm just feeling a little beaten down by the job market where people keep telling me I shouldn't expect a living wage, and people keep telling me it'll take 3-4 months to find a job willing to pay me what I'm making now, and... woe.

The thing is, the real estate job would be a GREAT opportunity to learn and grow and take on a challenge except that I'd be going into debt to do it. I want a job LIKE THAT, but with health insurance and PTO. I know I could totally rock and bring a lot to a company, I just don't want to have to worry about not buying food or whatever every month when I have a job and am working really hard.

I really don't want the hydraulics job and think I won't take it, just because the commute and the work environment would suck so hard. So it's kind of a "yes or no" for the real estate thing. If I take the RE job and then leave it, I won't be eligible for unemployment while I look for a different job. But if I could make it work... it would be awesome. *sigh*
Lisa Yaegerlisayaeger on December 21st, 2007 07:44 pm (UTC)
I'm at least glad to hear that you won't take the hydraulics job- that is just a BAD move. But, if you think there is an opportunity hidden in the RE job, then you can take that chance.

I just know from some experience that there is always a better job waiting around the corner. Sometimes it just doesn't come as quickly as we would like. If you need to make this job work in the meantime, then do it, but not for long. You SHOULD expect a living wage AND paid time off. Just keep looking while you're working and don't get stuck here.
רותם שחר (Ro): bubbles!roothekittykat on December 21st, 2007 08:19 pm (UTC)
lisayaeger is smart and has an amazing icon and good advice that you should follow :) as does your dad since he said the same thing.
Lisa Yaeger: smile: not_a_zatarclisayaeger on December 21st, 2007 08:45 pm (UTC)
Aw, shucks! Thank you!
miera_cmiera_c on December 21st, 2007 09:49 pm (UTC)
Not that my opinion matters, but the RE job at least offers continuity with your current work. If it can add to your skill set in that industry, then you can get something out of it for yourself.

I'm also wary of the "you should be grateful we want you" 'tude there, but my suggestion would be take the job, arrange your COBRA or whatever lowest level of insurance you can manage for a couple months, suck any kind of information/training out of this place you can and get back onto the market.

At your exit interview, then you inform these people "You should be grateful I worked for you even this long!"

Or, you know, get the paperwork for a small business loan going and you, me and Rose will open the porn/bakery!