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04 July 2012 @ 05:52 pm
Hey internet:  
What's the most Sparky episode of Atlantis?

I need to know because of reasons.

ETA: I'm told by many this is an unscientific, possibly cruel question. If you feel similarly, you may instead answer: About which Atlantis episode would you most like to read an episode-related fic by me? #SentencesINeverWantToDiagram
a universal sigh: SGA - Sparky - lightnaushika on July 5th, 2012 01:30 am (UTC)
The long goodbye, the storm/the eye, home, the real world, before I sleep, the return, the siege. If I had to pick just one (omg) i'd pick the real world :D
Little Red: sga - rpf black white smilemylittleredgirl on July 5th, 2012 01:48 am (UTC)
OMG! Most excellent. :) Home? Oh yeah! OMG these are all good. <3 <3
anranr on July 5th, 2012 01:35 am (UTC)
<-- approves of this post. ;)
Little Red: sga - sw happiness - jeepnymylittleredgirl on July 5th, 2012 01:46 am (UTC)
I'm getting all extra psyched up before you come visit! :) Eeee!!
A.j.: atlantisotpaj on July 5th, 2012 01:35 am (UTC)

Because they started hashing out their power dynamic and trust issues got called out AND LIZ YELLED AT HIM.

It's possible I have a very skewed view of relationships.

OH! Mom said my old playmate Mountain changed his name to Jeff and is working as a computer programmer in the twin cities.
Little Red: sga - sparktober closetsmylittleredgirl on July 5th, 2012 01:47 am (UTC)

And I lol'd about Mountain, it's true.
A.j.: readaj on July 5th, 2012 02:30 am (UTC)
Little Red: sga - pwnd! - A.j.mylittleredgirl on July 5th, 2012 02:32 am (UTC)
A.j.: hugsaj on July 5th, 2012 02:36 am (UTC)

*misses yooooooooooou*
Little Red: sga - pwnd! - A.j.mylittleredgirl on July 13th, 2012 07:50 pm (UTC)
I MISS YOU SO MUCHHHHHH and my company's doing a prize trip to Chicago but I don't get to go because I'm not in saaaaaaaaaaaaales and it's so tragical!
A.j.: hugsaj on July 13th, 2012 09:55 pm (UTC)
BOO! FAIL ON YOUR COMPANY!! *sends lots of hugs* And email me your address, lady! I have a present I need to mail you!
darth crackerjack: Take My Handqwirky on July 5th, 2012 02:41 am (UTC)
:| There's a MOST Sparky episode?


If only there were a scientific way to measure sparkiness...
Little Red: sga - sw eyefuckmylittleredgirl on July 5th, 2012 02:46 am (UTC)
I would totally volunteer for that empirical study if someone found a way!! It would probably involve a squeeometer. Maybe an eyesexotrope.
entertaining in a disturbing way: Sparky - pantslyssie on July 5th, 2012 02:44 am (UTC)
That's too hard to answer.
Little Red: sga - shep involved being memylittleredgirl on July 5th, 2012 02:51 am (UTC)
It was kind of an unfair question. Okay, how about: about which episode would you most want an episode-related-fic by me?
entertaining in a disturbing way: Sparky - pantslyssie on July 5th, 2012 09:58 pm (UTC)
All of them!

hrm. The Long Goodbye, maybe? But then again, that one's probably been done to death already.

Ooh. Maybe Common Ground, as there was the whole "Liz had to let him get tortured in front of her" theme?
Little Red: sga - lizzie boundmylittleredgirl on July 13th, 2012 07:49 pm (UTC)
That episode badly needs a post-ep, you're right!! Maybe a sequel to my post-Real-World fic, because it would be cool to be a person who writes sequels.
elly: *clings*elly427 on July 5th, 2012 03:45 am (UTC)
If this is in preparation for what I think it is (which/whom may be arriving in Portland on Friday) I am SO. JEALOUS. It/she is a DELIGHT, or it/she was when she was in Vancouver!

*is vague in case certain parties wish me to be so*
Little Redmylittleredgirl on July 5th, 2012 06:24 pm (UTC)
OMG hop a train right now and come join us!!!!! :)
anranr on July 7th, 2012 02:31 am (UTC)
Opal: sga sparky loves hugsoparu on July 5th, 2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
the one with whales...for some reason, I really did that ep. "Echoes!" it is called Echoes. I find it sweet.

or the Long Goodbye, oh the kissing...

or when he defends her honour.

(why was this not star trek so they could have been trapped together on a planet??)
Little Red: sga - sw do sexmylittleredgirl on July 5th, 2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED! See also: "Solitudes" "A Hundred Days" "that time Jack and Maybourne got stuck on a moon" "... all the other times the Stargate breaks or there's no Stargate and no one knows where they are." :-D
Opaloparu on July 13th, 2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
The possibility was there, STARGATE, there.

You're nearly impartial. Which show cares more for its characters? Star Trek or Stargate?
Little Red: sg - x-files - lizmylittleredgirl on July 13th, 2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
Interesting! I'm going to go with Star Trek on that one. I did a lot of thinking, so go grab a snack or something.

I'm going with Trek because on the whole, Stargate seems pretty committed to keeping its characters isolated from having fulfilling personal lives. Some of that is because of the secrecy of the program - on Star Trek everyone knows you're in Starfleet so people have lots of civilian friends & family (on TNG & DS9, anyway, where civilians are available). The human SG people are kinda hosed in that department and have few if any outside connections during the series (Pete is so shocking because he's really the ONE exception). However, it's not just the Earth secrecy thing - you've also got Teal'c separated from his wife and kid and Teyla's disappearing babydaddy (and her general isolation from her people), and really everyone has their lives permanently on hold. In Atlantis we get to see John, Teyla and Ronon fooling around in the city in their off-hours, and Jack goes fishing (alone), but most of the characters pretty canonically do nothing outside of work except wait to come back and do more work (like when Sam went missing for 48 hours before anyone noticed, and Daniel, Rodney and Elizabeth are no better). 24th-century Star Trek characters (TNG, DS9, Voyager) have a work/life balance and I think every single character has non-work-related interests. (That's less of a thing in the space-cowboy eras of Kirk and Archer, and Atlantis is similarly only-humans-in-a-tin-can-in-space, but in SG-1, come on people. Get a hobby! Join meetup.com!)

SG-1 gets points for allowing its characters to grieve more openly and have moments of closure on screen for the big deal deaths - Daniel for Sha're, Jack for Charlie, and everybody for Daniel. I haven't seen all of S4/S5, but Ford, Carson and Elizabeth kind of disappear into the wind there, so I don't know that Atlantis gets the same kudos.

Star Trek does let its characters grieve sometimes in the later incarnations of the franchise, but it's usually limited to one episode (like Picard post-Borg) or a random name-drop here and there (Tasha), but by and large, tragedy from one episode doesn't bleed into the next. DS9 and Enterprise do tackle long-term grief & recovery from tragedy once or twice (Kira and Bajor recovering from the occupation, Trip dealing with his sister's death, Sisko moving on from Jennifer). Jadzia is mourned more actively than Tasha was (and certainly more than Kes was - jeez, did Neelix or the Doctor even mention her again!?). Voyager seems to kind of handwave anyone's grief except Seven's, even though all of them have lost their entire lives back home - we don't see a lot of people actually dealing with it and moving on.

Characters of both franchises tend to have a crap ton of dead family members, but by and large Trek characters are less broken about it - possibly because Starfleet usually provides counselors and open bars on ship.

Basically, I feel like Star Trek allows its characters to form emotional relationships, have on-screen interests besides work, and forward their lives (they go on DATES! and at least half the time no one even dies!). If you want to compare apples to apples, Atlantis is probably most like Enterprise in that they're a little band of humans in wild unknown space with limited contact with Earth and getting their asses kicked a lot. SG-1 is most like DS9 - they have this Very Important Holy Crap There's A WAR ON job, but they're also living in a place with civilians, bars and shopping malls (like, you know, EARTH). I didn't watch SGU, so someone else will have to speak to how well the characters are treated there... but for now, the edge goes to Trek!
Opal: voy kj year of helloparu on July 13th, 2012 07:50 pm (UTC)
Excellent answer! It went well with my rice cakes. My heart will always be with TNG. There are long term emotional growth things and bonding and Beverly's plays!! She does plays! Also Beverly and Deanna being girly and teasing Will when he can't play Nightbird.

All SG-1 does is fish, and lose each other and get in trouble. And Atlantis...I may never forgive it for killing Elizabeth. The one day they had off time, people got killed. When TNG had off time, Data danced, the O'Briens got married and there were generally cuddles.

DS9 was serious there's a war folks, but they rocked it. They had friends that got killed and they talked about it. Sisko had that "I hate Picard" thing, they handled Jadzia's death in interesting ways and it was talked about. Kira had all her tragically dead boyfriends and Odo, which I loved. I loved Kira/Odo more than Sam/Jack...because it just seemed more adult and cute and awkward.

TNG is just a lovefest. VOY has it's issues, but there's some cute bonding in there when they all get drinks and dressed up that Atlantis never did. DS9 is probably cleverer than all the shows. I love the SG1 and the SGA but they're so not Trek.
Opal: tng dw greenoparu on July 13th, 2012 07:51 pm (UTC)
I think if SGA had been Trek, Sparky could have kissed. Will and Deanna kissed, Beverly and Jean-Luc kissed..the kissing was done and good. SGA blew it.

Possessed by aliens kissing is good, but there needs to be non-possessed kissing too.
Little Red: trek - pc the moment - 2clmylittleredgirl on July 13th, 2012 07:46 pm (UTC)
OH HEY, since you were probably specifically wondering about these things:

1) Jack Crusher! Wesley comes to terms with his death at a few points in the series, especially "Journey's End", and I think that's one of the times Star Trek does grief/moving on well. Beverly seems to have recovered from that long before the series starts, which is healthy and good, but Wesley kinda needs to fully grow up first before he can really get his arms around it.

2) Long Smoldering Romances No But We Musn't, and how the characters are treated in that: Star Trek wins this one, because Sam and Jack are really bringing down Stargate's batting average there. I mean, for at least a season (and for Sam, at least 5 seasons), those two are actively miserable in everything UST-related. I don't get that from anyone else on Stargate, though - John/Elizabeth, John/Teyla, anybody else / anybody else was always sort of happy, comfortable will-they-or-won't-they-someday UST, not we-might-burn-alive-with-unresolved-desire. (On the show, at least. We burn them up good in fandom.)

For Trek's side of things, Janeway/Chakotay is the closest to Sam/Jack, don't you think? I think they even get close to the level of angstlonging, but Chakotay moves on more successfully than Sam does... eventually. Tom and B'Elanna just move on to sexing each other, so they don't count for UST.

On DS9, everyone hooks up with whoever they want to (Julian never gets Jadzia because she's not interested enough, not because of external forces and Duty and Honor). TNG - Riker and Troi's "not while we're serving on the same ship" doesn't seem like it's a Starfleet-mandated policy, since there's plenty of Riker/lower-rank sexing going on (and Picard/Nella from Stellar Cartography that one time). I think Deanna decided on that policy because of how all-consuming and distracting their original affair was, but who knows? Maybe Riker just wanted to be able to hook up with alien chicks (I'm... pretty sure Deanna would still have let him do that, though).

As for Picard/Crusher... they clearly have a THING about each other, and they have adorable awkward jealousy when the other person hooks up with someone else, but really, they aren't changing the nature of their relationship because they don't want to. She turns him down on that twice after all - in "Allegiance" and "Attached" - and we aren't sure if that's because of career/rank or Jack or what, but they seem pretty content with their relationship how it is.

So, let's give that one to Star Trek, because their world is set up that a) some people get to have happy, fulfilling relationships while saving the universe and b) even the UST couples can have sex whenever they want to without consequences if they will just get over themselves.

3) I need a 3. You can't have a numbered list with just 2! I've got nothing, but I'll tell you - I have a way harder time writing fic in the Trek universe than the SG-universe, because SG characters are so lovely and broken and aren't properly loved up and supported on the show. I also prefer reading SG-verse fic, because there are so many more emotional gaps to fill. Especially DS9, where it feels like there's nowhere for me to squeeze my fanon in between the episodes.

Opal: tng bev sunlightoparu on July 13th, 2012 08:12 pm (UTC)

1) I love how Beverly seems to get more over Jack as the show goes. She's obviously still having a rough time in s1, she's shy with Will, angsty with Jean-Luc, she goes away, runs ALL THE MEDICAL, comes back and there's the absolutely great Beverly and Jean-Luc parent Wesley scenes that just kill me and make me so happy. She's so much more herself in s3, s4 and so content in 5, 6 and 7. Wes had much further to go, and I kind of like his arc (though it seems so sad for Bev, does he write?)

2) SGA is pretty good at the 'we are pretty and could have sex, but we won't, because it's not in the script' it's relaxed. SG1 is full of angst. Daniel - ANGST. Sam - ANGST. Jack - ANGST. Janet *sniff* oh Janet...

TNG reminds me more of X-Files, where sex could be there, it's possible, but there's so definitely love. Deanna and Will especially have this adorable, nearly angstless love for each other that's just all over the damn show.

Beverly saying yes makes for good fic, but I am fond of her relationship with Jean-Luc, even without sexytimes because they're so comfortable. She turns him down and they're still best of bestest friends. Whenever either of them freaks out, they're there. They get divorced in an AU and STILL love the pants off each other. (funnier in Britain...)

SGA needs more fic. SG1 needs LOTS of fic. I can watch TNG and be totally happy. I watch SGA and I need to go find the fic right now.

3. I need to watch more Enterprise. Ds9 I find the hardest to fic because it is just so full and I like what it's full of. SGA begs for fic, but DS9 usually pleases me. VOY needs fic because dude, not enough sexing, but B'Elanna and Tom don't, because they had the sex.

4) *HUGS*
Alice: sga: john/lizzie looking coolviolettavalery on July 6th, 2012 03:22 pm (UTC)

Seriously, if I were going to show someone an episode that made it super-obvious they were totes in love, it'd be TRW. Or...shit, I haven't watched this show in ages. The episode where she gets taken over by the Replicators. Lifeline? I do not remember.

The Long Goodbye is good, but since it's not them...y'know.
Little Red: sga - sw gamble everythingmylittleredgirl on July 13th, 2012 07:47 pm (UTC)
Ha! I can't believe I didn't reply to this. YES. EVERYBODY ELSE GO HOME. Except "Conversion." That might actually be my fave. But it doesn't have the emotional payoff that Real World does, so I think you still win in the end!

EDIT: OH. Maybe we could make a fanon case for those being equivalent episodes - she stands by him and risks her life when he's transforming into a lolarious blue superhero bug, he stands by her and risks his life when she's getting brainwashed by Replicators!

Edited at 2012-07-13 07:48 pm (UTC)
Alice: sga: peekabooviolettavalery on July 13th, 2012 07:54 pm (UTC)

So despite not having watched SGA in years, Torri's coming to the Chicago SG con next month AND I AM SO THERE, because Torriiiiiiiiiiiiiii! And I'll be the terrible person who asks Sparky questions five years too late.
Andy: yellow_heartankareeda on July 14th, 2012 02:50 pm (UTC)
EVERY EPISODE! ;) XD Erm, the Real World! ♥♥♥ Sparky, Sparky, Sparky! Also the Siege, Misbegotten (the looks they share ♥♥), Echoes, The Storm/The Eye,.... LOVE!