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30 July 2012 @ 10:08 pm
Today, in the wayback machine...  
I've fallen back in love with SG-1 hard. I watched "Window of Opportunity" with anr when she was here and that was the beginning of the end.

Believe it or not, I usually try to make my fandomflail posts have a coherent point (hey, I said try), but indulge me: I'm gonna spaz out about SG-1 in a long-winded bullet-point format here.

I do this suddenly-missing-SG-1 every year or two and every time I end up watching the episodes in the same not so random order, with exactly the same hyperventilating in the same places:
  • "Fail Safe" This is my deserted-island-with-only-one-episode-of-SG-1 episode, because it's almost flawless and it's fun team shenanigans.

  • "Redemption" This one is if I get two episodes on my deserted island - it's very much like "Fail Safe" in that it's snarky, action-packed, the script is tight, and there's no woeangst)

  • "Small Victories" ... same reason, Replicators were awesome then, THOR, Sam's hair, the OH I THINK WE SHIP THEM NOW Y/Y, and Russians! (It's kind of a coincidence, but if the Russians are in an SG-1 episode, I probably love it. Except the Ziggurat one, which I could take or leave.)

  • "Upgrades" Every time I have the same thought process to get here, too: "That's fun and team-y too and I think Sam still has the cute hair... OMG! ANISE I LOVE HERRRR!"

  • Well now you have to watch "Divide and Conquer." I keep thinking this episode will lose its power at some point ("The power of ship compels you!") but nope. At one point, Stargate knew how to do this ship business damn right. I mean, Sam is that sure they're not Zatarcs and Jack knows exactly what she's talking about... but they also clearly have never talked about this. And the shot back up at Janet and Teal'c is the best!

    I love Janet and Teal'c so, so much. I never considered Janet/Teal'c before writing that sentence, but now I kind of wonder if I missed an opportunity for them to be the couple that's cooler than everyone in every possible way.

  • And then I go OH GOD I NEED TO WATCH ALL THE SHIP and I watch "A Hundred Days." (Sam's face in the Sam and Janet scene in this is... okay, I get it, it's kinda weird that THIS is the episode I immediately run to when I want Sam/Jack ship, but HER FAAACE.)

    I love Laira so very much that I was kind of blind to it until this time around, but I just realized that the whole not-immediately-telling-Jack-about-the-radio thing is kind of awful. I only thought of it in terms of her needing a few hours to reconcile herself to losing the man she loves (since she didn't know Teal'c was, like, dying, I gave her a grudging pass on this) but dude, something like three-quarters of HER PEOPLE are trapped on the other side of the Stargate! This isn't just about Jack! FOCUS, LAIRA!

  • At this point I always pause to look for all my old SG-1 fic to roll around in my Sam/Jack feelings. Then I get upset that I didn't write more SG-1 fic to prepare for this moment when I would need it most! Then I try to get a grip, and:

  • "Shades of Gray" because Maybourne and... well, Laira is mentioned. Look, I have a thing about past loves of my ship pairings. I love Sara O'Neill, too. I don't love Sam's ex that we meet in Season 1, but I think that more means that Sam's ex-lover being a douchebag than that I'm more okay with Jack having other lovers than her (although... okay, she just tends to date douchebags). Anyway! This episode! Way to punch Sam in the feelings, show! She doesn't sleep for three months, discovers all these problematic crush-feelings, gets slapped down when Jack isn't happy to come home, and then Jack goes nuts and insults her and peaces out. Although "I haven't been acting like myself since I met you" isn't really an insult, come to think of it. It's probably also true, though I'd give Daniel more credit than Sam at this point for softening Jack. It's really both of them, but Daniel got there first*.

  • Back on the 'ship train! "Solitudes" and oh. God. It makes me just love Sam so much, because she's young and terrified and isn't yet used to overcoming certain doom. She faces a no-win situation and fails, and then she lies down to wait for death, and that's got to shake up her view of life. And in Little Red's SG-1 Ship Fanon, Jack talking about crawling through the desert for Sara shakes up Sam's view of love, too (though Jacob was crazy devoted to Sam's mom, so maybe she was already a hopeless romantic). I don't think she's in love with him at this point, but I think this moment is really what makes her so unable to let go of him.

  • Then I've reached the end of my pre-planned route and get overwhelmed by CHOICES and start wishing Netflix had a randomizer button!

  • I'm pondering doing a Tok'ra'thon. I thought about doing an Asgardathon, but I hear that ends badly.


*Aside: I've been thinking a lot about the Stargate bromance / slash pairings lately. I realized I'd left Rodney conspicuously out of an Atlantis fic so that John would have to reach out to Elizabeth. That got me started on the scary thought that damn, these male relationships really might be more important to John or Jack than their het ship relationships, and what does this mean for me? I don't want to complicate their bromance dynamic with sex and romance, but does that mean I'm just repressing my obvious slash tendencies? What does this mean for meee? And... existential crisis. After the existential crisis, I wondered: would Sam and Jack have even gotten along if the Abydos mission and meeting Daniel hadn't happened? Or if Charlie didn't die and Jack was just still a hardened Black Ops guy? Please tell me someone has written amazing, epic AU fic of the movie with Sam in it, because I really want to know the answer to these questions!

So when I said above I'm pondering doing a Tok'ra'thon, I meant, "I'm totally doing a Tok'ra'thon." (Though I might chicken out before "Threads" because... because... REASONS. I can't think about it or it upsets me.)

So I watched "In the Line of Duty." I didn't get to see SG-1 at all until it hit SciFi, but did you guys FREAK OUT when you saw this episode live? I would have been jumping up and down about how this was the coolest thing to ever happen on this show (SAM IS A GOA'ULD NO WAIT SHE'S A TOK'RA NO WAIT THE TOK'RA EXIST OMG NOW WE HAVE REBEL GOA'ULD AND NINJA GOA'ULD ASSASSINS - I mean, that would be the coolest thing on any show, right?).

Tok'ra time! Jolinar of Malkshur, according to Teal'c, once had armies and tried to overthrow system lords. Jolinar also says the Tok'ra also crave power, but "for a greater good." Since now the Tok'ra basically live in caves, this makes me wonder if they're kind of deposed gentry. Maybe when they were just young Goa'uld spawned of Egeria, the Tok'ra all had their own planets and armies and Jaffa. Then they started educating their serfs, and the system lords kicked them out of the homeowner's association for not oppressing the masses enough. Does that mean Selmak used to have planets? Do the Tok'ra still want to benevolently rule the Goa'uld empires after they overthrow the Goa'uld? (I mean, as a long term goal. For now they all seem more concerned with not getting captured and killed.)

Cassie time! She calls Fraiser "Janet" here, though she's calling her "Mom" by "Rite of Passage." And awww, Jack is so cute with Cassie, and later we find out he spends time at her school, and I was pretty sure this whole time that Jack wouldn't want to have another child after Charlie, but now I'm changing my mind. Maybe. It's so cute.

ALL SHIP ALL THE TIME time! She's his responsibility, and she gets snaked on his watch, and he has to try and save her while also interrogating Jolinar. I love the slow burn of the ship in the first three seasons - they become family first and romantic squeee and woeangst later!

THIS POST MAKES NO SENSE, POSTING ANYWAY! *flops asleep*
 
 
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Lindsaybabylil on July 31st, 2012 07:01 am (UTC)
I'm just starting season 3 on an SG-1 rewatch and I love this post :D
Little Red: sg - sj ship happens - nosmylittleredgirl on August 4th, 2012 01:22 am (UTC)
:-D Season 3 is such a favorite of mine! They're over a lot of the dorkiness but still so megacute about fighting aliens and being awesome!

Also, Tok'ra. Lots of Tok'ra. So I'm getting to watch a lot of that season right now.
Clare LS (Clara): SG Sam/Jack weddingmisssimm on July 31st, 2012 08:03 am (UTC)
The random episode I always want to watch first is The Serpent's Venom. Which I think I'm now going to have to do!
Little Red: sg - daniel evil - littlekfrumylittleredgirl on August 4th, 2012 01:24 am (UTC)
Yes!! That one's awesome, though I never think about it until I'm already watching it! Totally need to add it to my list. :)

I also have a real love of "One False Step." I don't even know why. Everyone's nerdy and the aliens are really alien and have nothing to do with Earth and it's just a fun side trip into them screwing up and then fixing it and Daniel running around doing flappy-hands.
Fallon Ash: sam hmmfallon_ash on July 31st, 2012 08:26 am (UTC)
I'm always so torn on what to watch, because I love a lot of the episodes, but then I miss Vala. (Apparently I have a thing for those late-in-series character that everybody else scoffs at, but who break my heart by not being given a good chance to grow and evolve and have all these interesting storylines. *looking-at-you-Reyes*)

Anyway, I assume you've read annerbhp's pre-show/movie AU about Sam & Jack? It may not be exactly what you're looking for, but I remember liking it.

Convergence, Linger, and Falling Back to Earth

Edited at 2012-07-31 08:27 am (UTC)
Little Red: xf - hey monnie!mylittleredgirl on August 4th, 2012 01:26 am (UTC)
OH REYES. Heartbreak!

I jumped ship at the end, which was sad. I find it hard to watch my babies get old and tired and beaten down by all the crazy awful things that happen to them during the series. And then there are new babies to love, but I'm still all sad about the others, and I should go back and watch it now because Cam is yummy to look at. :)
Fimuldy on July 31st, 2012 02:22 pm (UTC)
Now I totally have to watch Stargate. I watched a few episodes (pretty much the ones you named) in January with a friend who visited and the early seasons were SO GOOD.
Little Red: sg - sj monastery - elly427mylittleredgirl on August 4th, 2012 01:26 am (UTC)
YEP. Now you totally have to watch Stargate. EXACTLY!
Jo. R: SG1 SJ Intimacy firedriftingatdusk on July 31st, 2012 04:57 pm (UTC)
As soon as I get my DVD's back from my Dad, I'm embarking on a rewatch. A massive one. From the beginning, to the end. I miss the squee and it's really about time to go back and start over!!

*joins you in squeeing*

As for fic set during the movie with Sam in it, Ruth M King wrote my favourite one tackling that storyline - http://www.samandjack.net/fanfics/viewstory.php?sid=887 - I definitely recommend it!!
Little Red: sg - sj talk about love - nosmylittleredgirl on August 4th, 2012 01:29 am (UTC)
Ooooh!! I think I read that once?? But during the fever-days when I don't remember anything! I need a Tok'ra memory device or something for those years. :)

So much squeeee!!! I have a weird desire to watch the series from end to beginning because I like it so much better when they're young and eager and not yet broken and pretty naive about the whole Big Damn Galaxy out there but OMG STARGATE I LOVE IT ALLLLLL.

Doing a Tok'ra marathon is pretty good for catching up on tons of Stargate because they're in it a lot! Theme marathons FTW! (And then you don't have to watch "Bane" ever again because what even was that.)
One Whose Honesty is Stronger Than Her Fear: adorkableamilyn on July 31st, 2012 11:47 pm (UTC)
You are as adorkable as "Moebius" Alt!Sam!

Also, will you send your current snail addy to amilynh at gmail dot com, pls?
Little Red: sg - x-files - lizmylittleredgirl on August 4th, 2012 01:30 am (UTC)
That is NON POSSIBLE. She defines adorkable!

And yes! I will do that right now!
One Whose Honesty is Stronger Than Her Fear: flusteredamilyn on August 4th, 2012 08:35 am (UTC)
You didn't send me your addy. :-(

Did you miss the H? amilynH at gmail?

Again, please?
miera_c: always lookingmiera_c on August 1st, 2012 02:28 am (UTC)
My recent rewatch stalled out in S8. That whole "moving to another state" thing messed me up.

That got me started on the scary thought that damn, these male relationships really might be more important to John or Jack than their het ship relationships, and what does this mean for me? I don't want to complicate their bromance dynamic with sex and romance, but does that mean I'm just repressing my obvious slash tendencies?

nope, it means there are 8 gazillion people out there writing slash fic and your immense talents were needed to remind everyone that Jack and John both had friendships and powerful emotional connections to people that didn't have penises WHICH WAS DEMONSTRATED ON THE SHOWS MORE THAN ONCE and thus deserved fic. *footstomp*
Little Red: sga - sw forevermylittleredgirl on August 4th, 2012 01:38 am (UTC)
My initial watch kinda stalled out in S8, so we're in the same boat boats docked in near proximity to each other!

I don't think I'm going to stop writing het - I don't like things without female characters in them for me to relate to. I just really love the deep connection Jack and Daniel have from the first Abydos mission and I like their friendship a lot (and I just... don't think either of them like dick? I feel like a hater for saying so, but that's just not the read I get on them?). I don't know, maybe I'm fandom bicurious in this regard and just can't go full sausage yet, but I love Sam/Jack to pieces and yet would see them as incomplete without Daniel and Teal'c. I think Daniel and Teal'c need to get fishing cottages next to Jack's and they can all vacation together after retirement and it'll be perfect. (I don't feel that way about Atlantis, that was never as team-centric and had many more secondary characters. John and Elizabeth could be fine without Rodney, though potentially not without Atlantis as a whole.)

Uhhh I think I need to chat to people more about fandom, because I'm brain-dumping all this stuff on unsuspecting people in comments. :)

JOHN/ELIZABETH FOREVER, LET'S LEAVE IT AT THAT :)
miera_c: crimemiera_c on August 4th, 2012 01:48 am (UTC)
I wrote a few bits of Jack/Daniel here and there. Sometimes I could kinda squint and see something maybe sorta kinda?

John and Rodney, less so. Mostly because the woobification of Rodney by the fans (and his Gary Stu treatment by the writers) made me start disliking him a lot. Also I just didn't see it much. The longer the show went on, the more insistent the writers became that Rodney was going to get laid by a pretty girl to make up for their own insecurities. (I have Feelings. They are Complex and still Very Angry.)

I am at the point where, I think, I see people automatically slashing any two (white) male actors and that's fine, but it feels like it maybe doesn't really dig into the friendship stuff enough? I get the impulse to always inject sexytimes whenever possible, but I'm not sure it doesn't do a disservice to guys being really good friends and focusing on that for a bit.

Like, when Daniel's on the outside of the railing of his balcony, and Jack gets there in time to stop him, you could write fic about that that didn't involve sex, just all the times one of them saw the other on the brink of dying and all the shit they've been through together as friends. You know?

I won't even get started on friendships between women characters because, well. Yeah.

You're making me want to write Sparky fic, except the Austen fic developed subplots and I have shot myself in my own metaphorical writing foot** with them, and it's historical AU so you wouldn't read it anyway! Also I have guilt about the novel. WHY DOES THIS HAVE TO BE SO HAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD?

** - I do not actually write with my feet.
anranr on August 2nd, 2012 10:40 am (UTC)
HEE! You are adorable with your fangirl on. *hugs*
Little Red: sg - jonas dork - lindir_jaxmylittleredgirl on August 4th, 2012 01:39 am (UTC)
YOUR FAULT!! I guess I did suggest watching SG1, but only because you were THERE and now I'm obsessed again and eeeeeeeestargate.
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