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03 November 2004 @ 11:43 pm
I wax kinda moderate about the election, and gleee.  
So... the obligatory election bit. Don't really feel comfortable posting what I've been writing and thinking. As someone who fears conflict and aims for middle ground and Everybody Getting Along And Learning About Each Other's Viewpoints, I'm a bit intimidated by so much feeling, and so charged, and so polarized.

I'm not angry. I'm frustrated, disappointed, and scared, and trying to be hopeful.

My very strange reaction to all of this has involved a desire to be a student of sorts in a conservative, religious, Republican household. I think, perhaps foolishly, that I will be less afraid if I have the chance to learn about this, to understand this part of my country that is so different from mine, if there is a way to do it without anyone feeling put on the offensive. I want to know. I don't think people in this election, on either side, voted out of ignorance; I think we all voted out of fear of the threats to our various ways of life. I am not an activist by nature -- it feels phony to me to do the things that so many of you do so well -- and I have felt useless and unpatriotic because of this.

In my happy little la-la land, I think our country wouldn't be so divided if everyone understood each other's positions better. Maybe there really isn't more to this than it appears -- maybe the ways we want to live our lives in the blue and the red states really are totally incompatible -- but I suspect we wouldn't cling so much to the extremes if we each didn't feel like the middle was going to be pulled away from us.

I can start with my extended family. Because they happen to be Canadian, they don't think that religion has a place in the government... so it's a bit different, and they didn't have to make this particular electoral choice. These are good, kind, loving Christians who I respect and love, and yet it was a big, difficult question whether they could continue to love and treat their son as their own because he moved in with his fiancee before they were married. I don't understand this. I want to. More and more, I feel like I need to.

For the next four years, I want to work on that.

Please don't tell me how stupid I am for my naivete or be offended by any accidental condescension that might be in this late-night, poorly-expressed post, for that will make me sad. I know many of you are liberals who grew up in conservative households and are probably no less scared than me for your knowledge. So this isn't a way of improving the nation, it's just a way of maybe improving myself.

---

5 good things about today:

1. My car is back from Blowtorch Joe's and all shiny and pretty and un-crunched! (lisayaeger? I think it really might be better than new!)

2. OMG!! LOOK at the icon maching_monkey made me!! I have a linguistics icon!

3. alliesings said something to make me feel very loved.

4. Unexpected evening watching Stargate with alosersdream :)

5. Got TWO WEEKS off work for road trip! Supervisor didn't even CARE because I am officially fill-in staff! I walked away from this conversation with a "you're so great!" instead of mutterings about my wenchiness.

3 things I did well:

1. Did "consulting" gig of setting up dad's friend's computer. Successfully did things. Received money for transferring bookmarks of Yankees fan sites and naked women. *scrubs self clean*

2. Picked up car.

3. Made brightly coloured salad.

-- Little Red, receiving much-needed hug from down comforter!
 
 
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Lytalytarules on November 4th, 2004 06:22 am (UTC)
I am so glad that you have gleee! It's reassuring to see on my flist - gives me a sense of rightness when so much seems off.

Go you! *needs to start doing gleee posts*
Little Red: sg - osiris knowing evil - littlekfrumylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 06:31 am (UTC)
It would ROCKMYWORLD. I forgot to mention that someone else started doing gleee posts today and it was totally gleee for me too :)

My gleee is so insidious *evils*
Lisa Yaegerlisayaeger on November 4th, 2004 11:41 am (UTC)
Love that Osiris icon!!! Anyhoo, glad your car is back and pretty again :-) Let me know if we owe you any more $$.

I think your post was a wonderful one, and that wanting to learn others' viewpoints is never wrong or stupid. A lot of healing needs to be done in this country, and ideas like yours are where it starts.

*hugs*
Little Red: sg - osiris knowing evil - littlekfrumylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 03:34 pm (UTC)
Isn't she pretty!? Acquired at thefifthrace by littlekfru, if I recall correctly. Man. Hottest woman ever.

You don't owe me any more money!! It was exactly the price he quoted to me earlier :)

A lot of healing needs to be done in this country, and ideas like yours are where it starts.

I love it when my personal curiosity intersects with lofty moral goals :)
Lisa Yaegerlisayaeger on November 4th, 2004 04:00 pm (UTC)
I *love* Osiris- smart, strong, sexy and that accent!

WHOA!

I miss her :-(
Valerie - Postmodern Pollyanna: perfectwiliqueen on November 4th, 2004 09:39 pm (UTC)
She really was the only "old school" System Lord to clear the bar Peter Williams set for just plain Fun To Watch. Others got close, but there's a very specific blend of intrigue, childishness and over-the-top that has to be mixed just right to really hit the mark.
Lisa Yaegerlisayaeger on November 4th, 2004 10:22 pm (UTC)
Very good analysis. I think Ba'al comes close, but he's just *evil* and not as Fun, you know?
Valerie - Postmodern Pollyanna: hussywiliqueen on November 4th, 2004 10:33 pm (UTC)
Actually, I consider him part of the "new breed" (where the bar was set by Yu): smarter, more mature and oodles more dangerous. Which means more dramatically interesting, but less FunToWatch!!

Osiris was really the last flamboyant gasp of the "old school." (Anubis doesn't count, for reasons other than simple yawnworthiness.) At least they went out with a bang. ;-)
Lisa Yaegerlisayaeger on November 4th, 2004 10:46 pm (UTC)
I love Yu!! Teehee :-)
Little Red: sg - osiris knowing evil - littlekfrumylittleredgirl on November 5th, 2004 05:12 am (UTC)
*spoilers for "Lockdown"*
Yes! And Ba'al is pretty. Mmmm.

They're all so fun. Except Anubis who... just... gah. In "Lockdown", I was all "WTF? You are short and oily and boring even when you are noncorporeal! Go away now!" But oh well... :)

It is nice to have some cool, calculating villains instead of the childish foot-stamping type... just to mix things up a bit! Osiris was a bit of both, which I liked.
Little Red: sg - osiris knowing evil - littlekfrumylittleredgirl on November 5th, 2004 05:09 am (UTC)
SO fun to watch. And so freaking hot. OMG. HOT.

keenween, my old roommate, and I decided that her hotness transcends sexual orientation (on my part) or his usual girl type (on his part).
Little Red: sg - osiris knowing evil - littlekfrumylittleredgirl on November 5th, 2004 05:05 am (UTC)
ME TOO! Bring back evil Osiris!!!
Valerie - Postmodern Pollyanna: budswiliqueen on November 4th, 2004 03:25 pm (UTC)
I need to get on the gleee train. I used to use that word all the time (well, with two e's), and have been oh-so-delighted to see you and A.j. using it. :-D

I should have started with my post about the RENT movie yesterday, but I'm sure there will be plenty of gleee to come!
Little Red: gleee! - nenyamylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 03:32 pm (UTC)
YAY!! YES!! More gleee!!

*freaks out with joy*

You have no idea how happy it makes me to see other people doing gleeelists. I feel like I helped spread something really cool and joyful and feel all Important In The World ;)

And the proliferation of a third e is also very very important!
Valerie - Postmodern Pollyanna: bouncewiliqueen on November 4th, 2004 03:41 pm (UTC)
And the proliferation of a third e is also very very important!

Does it count that I verbed it years ago?

:: is proprietary of her vintage gleeing ::

;-)
Little Red: sg - linguists - maching_monkeymylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 03:45 pm (UTC)
Of course it counts! We are so sisters on the path of gleee and lingual corruption!!
Valerie - Postmodern Pollyanna: linguistwiliqueen on November 4th, 2004 04:07 pm (UTC)
GLEEE!

:: hugs sister ::
Christidaisycm83 on November 4th, 2004 06:36 am (UTC)
You know, that's probably the nicest and most...logical thing I've read about this election as of yet. It's interesting...I'm a political science major, I'm supposed to be passionate about these things, and I am to a certain extent. But when it comes down to it, I'm a middle of the roader-what solution can we come to that will help the most people and not make everyone go crazy?

I think that people just get too righteous about it all. That we forget that many of the issues that are so important to us, aren't, no matter how much they seem to us, black and white issues. What's right for you may not be right for me and so on. Like you said, it's reaching a common ground, an understanding, that's important.

I'm a moderate Democrat who spent a year at the most conservative college in the nation. Literally. Like, it's famous for that. Over half the population were Libertarians. You can't spend a year in that atmosphere without being forced to examine why you believe what you believe, and explain that to someone whose belief structure is so far from your own that they look at you like there are celery stalks growing out of your head. Still, it's an experience that I wouldn't trade for anything, because I feel more equipped than ever to look at an issue and understand both sides of it, and still manage to reach an opinion on it. Spending large amounts of time with people who believe differently than you do is something I think everyone should be forced to do at least once-the world might be a more sympathetic place for it.

Kudos to you for speaking your mind. Hope you don't mind me doing the same.
Little Red: janeway heaven & earth - kabutarmylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 03:41 pm (UTC)
I never mind you speaking your mind! Especially if speaking your mind doesn't involve saying nasty things about me ;)

But when it comes down to it, I'm a middle of the roader-what solution can we come to that will help the most people and not make everyone go crazy?

EXACTLY!! I have felt kind of lost as a moderate. (Which seems to make me liberal by US standards and conservative in the rest of the world)

I think that people just get too righteous about it all.

Yes. Totally. And righteousness scares people, which leads to more righteousness, because I think that mostly results in this day and age out of fear. In some regards, people are less afraid of what has and is actually happening than what COULD happen -- like if they relax at all, The Other Side will take an inch and then the whole mile. I have absolutely no idea what to do about finding a middle ground everyone can live with, so for me the first step is really trying to understand where everyone stands, especially me. Because I don't really really know what I think.

You can't spend a year in that atmosphere without being forced to examine why you believe what you believe

Wow. What made you select this college, if I may ask? Was this why?

I didn't realize until I went to a very liberal university that I am not as textbook-liberal as I thought I was. I walked away from that feeling totally conservative, only to find that I'm actually not in the larger scheme of things. Now I really want the other side of the story.

*love*
Christidaisycm83 on November 4th, 2004 07:05 pm (UTC)
Wow. What made you select this college, if I may ask? Was this why?

I don't mind you asking, but I'm afraid the answer will disappoint you. It was actually an accident. See, I didn't live at home during high school, so when looking at colleges my major goal was to attend somethnig within an hour and a half of my house, which was less than half of what it used to take for me to get home. Hillsdale qualified and they gave me the most money, so it was to Hillsdale I went. Overall, it was one of those happy accidents though-I learned a lot about myself while I was there, a lot about politics and respecting different viewpoints, and met one of my best friends. So it all worked in the end.

Ironically, after that, I transfered to University of Michigan, a *very* liberal campus. (Generally speaking, though there are exceptions.) Talk about culture shock. But it's kind of fun, because you can play devil's advocate better than anyone-I've been known to argue a point I don't agree with just for the sake of making sure people are at least trying to understand all sides of an issue. But then, I'm weird and stubborn like that.
Little Red: b5 - corps is mother - thatfangirlmylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 07:17 pm (UTC)
Not a disappointment at all! I was really asking :) And that's a totally logical reason to attend a school!
Amanda: geeksquee. by nostalgia_ljlifelongfling on November 4th, 2004 07:02 am (UTC)
5. Got TWO WEEKS off work for road trip! Supervisor didn't even CARE because I am officially fill-in staff! I walked away from this conversation with a "you're so great!" instead of mutterings about my wenchiness.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Little Red: gleee! - nenyamylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 03:42 pm (UTC)
OMG I KNOW EEEEEEEEEE!!!

Sometime soon we will talk itinerary more :) A.j. has Friday and Saturday off, so we could either go visit on Saturday, or I could go stay there Friday night while you're at the concert... things to think about!
Amandalifelongfling on November 5th, 2004 02:34 am (UTC)
I think the second option works better....I just found out that I'm probably not going to be able to get Saturday off from Hush Puppies, so I'll most likely be working 9-4, which really sucks but there's only like, 3 people scheduled or something. Totally sucks, but I guess I'll live.
annie_tait on November 4th, 2004 07:23 am (UTC)
I was going to copy/paste/italicise a few lines and comment, but I'll just save everyone some time and say, Hey, me too.
Little Red: sg - s/j evil darling - nos'mylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 03:42 pm (UTC)
It's important to save time in a high-traffic livejournal day like yesterday!! :)
Working for the Mandroidmoonshayde on November 4th, 2004 12:20 pm (UTC)
I'm not going into a lot of detail in my journal since I know I'll be crucified, even by people I consider friends, so I am just trying to stay positive and hopeful for the future. Big supportive hugs to you.
Little Red: gimme hope lizzie - nostalgiamylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 03:44 pm (UTC)
Yikes. And SUCKY!! I know none of my friends will crucify me, even metaphorically, for speaking my mind, but I am very very lucky. However, in such a volatile atmosphere, things can get quickly out of hand and I especially can end up saying things I regret. So, yeah. Prudence.

Hope and positivity YAY!
pellucid: missing Janetpellucid on November 4th, 2004 02:58 pm (UTC)
I think you're absolutely right in so many ways, and I want to believe that we could all get along. When it's not politics, I think we do. But I spent most of my life as one of maybe a dozen Democrats (four of whom are members of my immediate family) in a very conservative, Christian, Republican area. I have tried for years to figure out why they think what they do--and many of these people are my dear, dear friends, whom I know intimately, respect, love and trust. Yet at the end of the day, the polarization is still there. My sister had random people coming up to her and screaming at her in recent days because she has a Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker on her car. I gave up and moved away, first to NYC and then to Canada. How will we ever move past this if we can't even understand and respect one another?

(((hugs everyone because I need a hug myself)))
Little Red: drr kill the pain - Carolinamylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 03:48 pm (UTC)
Yet at the end of the day, the polarization is still there.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I expect. I just feel like I don't have the right to really stand firmly on one side of the debate without seeing the other... I guess. I'm not sure how to put it -- it's just a personal thing that I might feel less freaked out about the state of the nation if I really drive the point home to myself that the people who disagree with me and scare me are good people who want what they believe is right and best for their families.

Which... yeah, in a way is really terrifying, too. But it has to be better to know.

*GIVES BIG HUG*

Yay Canada!! I wish I still felt Canadian -- I have been away far too long. I am visiting soon, and may end up living there just because I have no definite geographical plans... we shall see!
pellucidpellucid on November 4th, 2004 04:59 pm (UTC)
"I am visiting soon, and may end up living there just because I have no definite geographical plans... we shall see!"

Always a good option! ;) Where are you visiting, by the way? Cause if you come to Toronto, we should hang out. *g*

Also, OT lj question: how do I make quotes all pretty and italicized?
Little Red: canada - elly427mylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 07:21 pm (UTC)
lj question: Livejournal's quote button seems to put little quotation marks around things, which is insufficiently swanky by my standards.

To do italics, put < i > (minus spaces) before the copied text and < / i > after.

I AM coming to Toronto!!! Gleeeee! We should so hang out :) Erm... yes. I need to get on actually *planning* this trip, since it's looking less and less likely like the magical itinerary gnomes will provide me a plan while I sleep.
pellucidpellucid on November 4th, 2004 07:28 pm (UTC)
I AM coming to Toronto!!! Gleeeee! We should so hang out :)

This is mostly an attempt to practice my italicizing skills, but

Red in Toronto! Yay!!! Definitely! Let me know.
Jeff's LiveJournaljfpbookworm on November 4th, 2004 04:49 pm (UTC)
Word. There's a lot of evidence out there (blogs, book choices, etc.) that the two sides (an oversimplification, but yeah) don't even talk to each other much, and when they do it always feels like they're not responding to each other but are just putting words out there for the benefit of the like-minded. Can't help but wonder what would happen if folks started seriously talking to one another.
Little Red: gimme hope lizzie - nostalgiamylittleredgirl on November 4th, 2004 07:23 pm (UTC)
It's just so fraught with emotion, like there's no way to even ask a question without it being perceived as an attack and inviting counterattack.

However, I'm rather cute without my nonthreatening face, and generally curious and without malicious liberal agenda (am, perhaps, a malicious liberal, but not one with an *agenda*)... so, hey, it could work. *prepares to farm self out to conservative family*
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Little Red: gimme hope lizzie - nostalgiamylittleredgirl on November 5th, 2004 05:04 am (UTC)
Of course, some people I just want to smack, so I stay a good physical distance away.

This seems wise :)

Actually, this all seems wise. I'm glad you feel a bit better, and sad that none of us can feel all the way better. :(
mystic_isles000 on November 5th, 2004 04:48 am (UTC)
OMG your buddy icon for that is GREAT!
Much LOve cna' wait to se eyou!!
:-D
Little Red: sg - cult - me!mylittleredgirl on November 5th, 2004 05:00 am (UTC)
Look at the one I just made for our Kripalu-baby childhood!!

And I can't wait to see you EITHER!! I am going on a massive road trip starting next weekend for like 2 weeks (I am FUCKING INSANE because I am still sick but neeeeeeed to get out of here for a bit) but should be back about the same time as you :)
mystic_isles000 on November 5th, 2004 04:45 pm (UTC)
OMG that's amazing!!! I"m totally saving that and using it!!!!! (if you don't mind of course :-D
OH wow, road trip. Just make sure to EAT and not DIE! Then I will be happy :-D
Call me from all your exciting adventures.
Till we meet again!
:-D
Gira
Little Red: sg - cult - me!mylittleredgirl on November 5th, 2004 06:24 pm (UTC)
YAY!! Go ahead and use the icon of culty gleee :)

I will eat good food and not die!! Promise! Somehow... :-P

I will definitely call you! And will post where all I'm going and stuff on LJ, and talk to you before I go.

*hugs*
mystic_isles000 on November 6th, 2004 08:26 pm (UTC)
:-D