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04 May 2005 @ 11:13 pm
a very calm and collected post about the MIRROR UNIVERSE OMG  
OMG. WTF. HOSHI! EEEE!

Words cannot express how much I love the mirror universe.

Okay, okay, all y'all who said it wasn't as good as last weeks, YOU ARE RIGHT, but only because NOTHING can compare to the awesomeness that was part I. But this had Phlox talking about EVIL SHAKESPEARE! And oh, most importantly, Evil Hoshi sleeping with absolutely everyone before KILLING. ARCHER.

I 'ship Hoshi with everyone because I can't decide who deserves Hoshi sex the most. So that is one reason why I LOVE THE ENTERPRISE MIRROR UNIVERSE.

She even taunts T'Pol about it, in the catfight scene. MWAH HA HA. And after all that? She ends up with TRAVIS! SQUEEE! And w0lfstar and I agree that Hoshi and Travis were totally together throughout all of this as she slept her way to the top, because otherwise it made no sense for her to randomly attach herself to his face.

The other reason is that I adore adore ADORE the Mirror Universe, period. The DS9 Mirror Universe Trilogy (that, er, is no longer a trilogy because they added two episodes that really weren't as awesome) is just the best. thing. ever. I even loved "Dark Mirror" -- the TNG mirror universe novel. While the oversexed and over-evil'd mirror universe is really just an excuse to have our characters sex each other in unlikely combinations (*whereas the Stargate mirror universes exist to kill our characters off), it has an awesome historical canon unto itself.

Intendant Kira: "Perhaps you'd recognize the name 'Kirk.'"
Major Kira: "I'm sorry, I don't."
Intendant Kira: "Interesting. On my side, Kirk is one the most famous names in our history."
(from "Crossover")

I just about died of squeee when Mirror T'Pol talked about the Terran's eventual comeuppance and yelled at my TV "YOU WILL BE ENSLAVED!" ... poor Vulcans, however, get enslaved by the Alliance right along with the Terrans, so their lot in life SUCKS in the Mirror Universe. (SOVAL was in this episode! I LOVE HIM!) It was actually kind of depressing to watch the aliens try and revolt when I knew that they couldn't succeed.

So this, plus several squeee-filled conversations with w0lfstar (OH MY, I love having a friend who understands -- and predicts -- my need to call and squeee after watching Evil Hoshi), resulted in the following thoughts:

1) A mirror universe marathon is necessary at some point in the future. "In a Mirror Darkly I + II", "Mirror, Mirror" from TNG, and the DS9 ones.

2) Mirror Hoshi needs to infiltrate our universe. Badly. We came to this conclusion after part I, and part II kinda threw us because she is now EMPRESS, but... we've recovered. She was rather fascinated with the alternate universe library and the information on their counterparts, so she probably wouldn't destroy it. And maybe she feels like conquering more than one reality (or feels like designing a swanky linguistic translator thingger is just WAY below a Sato in any universe, and must needs spare our Hoshi that fate). Or she just wants to sleep with Archer again, whichever. EITHER WAY, she must infiltrate our universe and wreak havoc. We haven't yet figured out how our characters would actually survive a run-in with Evil Empress Hoshi, but we'll have lots of time to think about it over the infinitely long hiatus. (For the record -- we're going to pretend that Hoshi is Mirror Hoshi for the remaining episodes and see how that works.)

3) Just how does our sweet, mild-mannered Hoshi get nurtured by evil into that? I had no trouble with it until she BECAME EMPRESS. I mean, I've had almost ten years now to contemplate how Kira becomes the Intendant and somehow managed to work that... but I'm a little thrown here. Everyone else, as Sheryl pointed out over the phone, is still the same -- Archer is still arrogant and self-righteous, T'Pol's still a bit of a crackwhore, Travis still has no lines and excellent biceps. But does this mean our Hoshi has an evil powerhungry streak in her that we just haven't seen? I like this idea.

4) This next thought is just a Bad Bad Idea, because it involves unraveling the canonical mess that is season 3, but I'm going to do it anyway: What about the Xindi and the spherebuilders? Is the mirror universe going to get eaten eventually by the expanse? Or... actually, you know what? It's better not to touch that mess.

Other things I discovered on the internet just now: Worf was cast in the original script of the first DS9 mirror universe ep. DUDE! And there's also a script site with DS9 scripts that may eat a bunch of my time in the near future.

Edit: And now we know that HOSHI GETS MARRIEEEEED! Shut up, I'm a girlie girl, this makes me happy. Let the 'shipfic of all varieties commence.

In short: People? Point me at the Evil Hoshi icons, please.
 
 
feel: excitedEEEEEEEEE.
hear: evil theme music!
 
 
 
Melyanna: John (sunshine)melyanna on May 5th, 2005 05:47 am (UTC)
I see your caps lock came off. ;)
Little Redmylittleredgirl on May 5th, 2005 05:56 am (UTC)
And thank God for that, considering how ridiculously long and insane and unnecessary this post was.

I think my brain is broken. *pokes at it* My muse ran off and took other important reasoning centers with her!
ACcheekygal on May 5th, 2005 11:52 am (UTC)
When you find the evil Hoshi icons, let me know. I adore Hoshi, shamefully undeveloped character that she is, and I loved this episode!
Little Red: trek - hoshi more than words - leahmylittleredgirl on May 5th, 2005 05:29 pm (UTC)
I KNOW! *snuggles Hoshi* I made w0lfstar name her turtle after Hoshi. sekilara and I used to raise up altars before linguistics exams. We have great love for our darling undeveloped character.

I must... er... write fic or something.
w0lfstar: Evil Bunnyw0lfstar on May 5th, 2005 02:58 pm (UTC)
EEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
No time for long response right now due to head, but HOOOOOSHIIIIIII!!!! *loves her* *loves mirror universe*
Little Red: trek - hoshi more than words - leahmylittleredgirl on May 5th, 2005 05:29 pm (UTC)
Re: EEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
*pets your poor head*

When you feel better we must plan evil fanfic hijinks for both good and evil Hoshi, oh yes. :)
a universal sigh: Ent - Mirror!T'Pol - live long and prospnaushika on May 5th, 2005 03:45 pm (UTC)
I think the only reason I disliked part II as much as I did was because I had been expecting Mirror Universe/Our Universe crossovers in which there would be many wacky hijinks. And when it didn't happen, I was kind of let down. But part II was good in its own right. Evil Shakespeare! Poor Vulcans! Soval! <3

Is it wrong that I like Evil Empress Hoshi more than I like Regular Sweet Hoshi? *is bad*

Dammit. I need to get all the Treks on DVD so I can have a Mirror Universe marathon. Because that would be AWESOME.

Oh, and if you want Evil Hoshi icons, I can make you some. *points to icon* Whee! I have the ep downloaded. Just tell me which shots/scenes you would like icon'd!
a universal sigh: Ent - Mirror!T'Pol - live longnaushika on May 5th, 2005 03:50 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I DID have this icon on that post. Then it disappeared. Hmm.
Little Red: trek - trip/t'pol i love you - ashismmylittleredgirl on May 5th, 2005 05:30 pm (UTC)
Right! OMG! I remember you posting that... T'Pol was so fabulously hot with long hair.
Little Red: sg - anise - amandamylittleredgirl on May 5th, 2005 05:35 pm (UTC)
I was also hoping for that!!! Too bad, really. But this was pretty darned cool all on its own, and this way all of our mirror characters didn't have to DIE (that was the only way I could imagine resolving an ep in which they game into our verse).

Evil Empress Hoshi had more to do in two episodes than Regular Sweet Hoshi has had to do in the last three seasons. I think that's fair. :)

MIRROR UNIVERSE MARATHON, OMG. That would be awesome. I think we should arrange some kind of mega mirror universe con for this occasion, where people come visit from all over and other people join up online or with conference calls and we all squeee a lot. Yes.

I want evil Hoshi icons, omg. So badly. Is it weird that I'm starting to have a whole series of "I'm a slut with a mission" icons? (So far: Anise and Diana Fowley). But dude, omg, make evil Hoshi icons!! I'm not sure which scenes are the most cap-able because I wasn't watching for that (and was watching with my head under a blanket shrieking with joy), but the last scene in bed with Emperor Archer before she kills him was pretty excellent, maybe. Er... I don't know. *flails*

And omg. Mirror T'Pol is hot. anr made a wallpaper that might need to temporarily replace Sparky.
sekilarasekilara on May 5th, 2005 04:16 pm (UTC)
What's the name of this first mirror universe episode? I'll try to download it. I am interested in evil Hoshi! :)
Little Red: trek - hoshi more than words - leahmylittleredgirl on May 5th, 2005 05:30 pm (UTC)
It's a two-parter called "In A Mirror, Darkly." Part I is a ridiculously awesome episode. Part II is somewhat less awesome, but has more evil Hoshi. :)
espirk: DR Loveespirk on May 5th, 2005 05:00 pm (UTC)
Just some FYI. When writer Mike Sussman wrote this ep, he included some extra information to appear on the bios of Normal Universe Hoshi and Archer when Mirror Universe Archer and Hoshi called them up on the computer. Sussman didn't realize the information would be visible on-screen by HDTV viewers, but anyway, here's some information on Normal Universe Hoshi that wasn't mentioned (but appeared):

The biography of Sato states that she retired a lieutenant commander and created the linguacode translation matrix. The Mirror Archer told the Mirror Sato that he could tell her who her alter ego had married, and in response to fan questions, Sussman revealed that information as well:

Tragically, Hoshi and her family were among the four thousand people who died on Tarsus Four in 2246 when a food shortage caused by an exotic fungus threatened the colony's population. Governor Kodos ordered the deaths of Sato and the others in order to save the rest of the colony. She was buried in Kyoto with her husband, Takashi Kimura. The events on Tarsus Four were described in the original series episode "The Conscience of the King."

The full article is here.
Little Red: trek - hoshi more than words - leahmylittleredgirl on May 5th, 2005 05:25 pm (UTC)
... okay, that's no longer cool. WTF. FUNGUS!?

*refuses to play along with THAT* And who knows -- perhaps that Defiant was from a different mirror universe that was almost exactly like ours except ours has Hoshi missing out on the FUNGUS, dammit. And marrying Mayweather. Or Archer.

However, it does go well with the new drinking-game thing of trying to include a reference to every single TOS episode this season.
espirk: DR Loveespirk on May 5th, 2005 07:24 pm (UTC)
Sussman did say that fans shouldn't take the bio info as canon since he didn't realize viewers would be able to read what appeared on-screen.

For what it's worth, I don't like the fungus idea, either. Ditto for "Takashi Kimura". Hoshi marries Travis in my book ;P
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Little Redmylittleredgirl on May 5th, 2005 06:15 pm (UTC)
Certainly! :) Tragically, neither w0lfstar or I has a copy of Part I, so it may take us a while to organize this shindig. I wonder how quickly they'll release the Enterprise DVDs...
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Little Red: trek - naomi wildman - jen717mylittleredgirl on May 5th, 2005 07:08 pm (UTC)
I'm sure someone's running a virtual season five. I'd get involved, except I am now PERMANENTLY SCARRED by the idea of Q/Naomi. Actually, I'm scarred by the idea of Naomi/anyone. HOLY CRAP, I went to Scarlett Pomers' website, and it's just scarywrong that she grew up into a sex kitten, EEP. She must always be young and pure!

Hempress? *imagines Mirror Hoshi doing lots of drugs*

Hmm. A virtual season. I... think that might be a lot of work, and I hate work, but... *ponders*
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Little Red: trek - naomi wildman - jen717mylittleredgirl on May 5th, 2005 07:14 pm (UTC)
I never saw the episode where baby Q was a teenager... (I must forever repent, clearly, for college having interfered with my Trek watching). Must do. I'm told it was great.

And awww, she can hook up with Icheb in the future! I think. Didn't Icheb end up back on Earth with them? I was so madly irked on Naomi's behalf when the other Borg kids went away.

Although I suspect that Naomi has great jealousy issues at Icheb, because, omg, SHE used to be everyone's favorite kid!
tarkheena lizzeeen: ff - beneath the surfaceliminalliz on May 5th, 2005 06:27 pm (UTC)
*flails* *desires*