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30 January 2006 @ 05:58 am
DRUG ME, OMG.  
Arg. Second night in a week that I haven't been able to sleep AT ALL!

So. Tired. Want. To. Die. Arg.

On the upside, I am totally not being an emotional hysterical nutcase! This is the most gleee-inducing apathy ever, since the emotional hysterical nutcase insomnia days back in Massachusetts were no fun. Also, I am catching up on my reading. I am reading "Imzadi II", which I had never read before, and so far there is lots of Worf-bashing by absolutely everyone, but I forgive that because there is OMFG TOM RIKER.

So, drugs. My shrink upped my dose of Teh Celexa Of Awesomeness, and it has indeed seriously made it much easier to live in my own skin. I love not being hysterical. Love eeet. It gave me my pretty, rational brain back, which I really appreciate, and which it didn't quite do at the lower dose. It is not a miracle cure, and I wish it was, but I really REALLY notice how much it's helping. However, my sleeping hours have become stupidly unpredictable and sometimes nonexistant, and that's starting to grate. (Also, I have become a heartless bitch and can't write, but I'm not sure I can blame the drugs for that. It'd be nice if I could.) Sleeplessness is the main side-effect that my shrink was worried about, so I figure the meds are probably a contributing factor.

So. Cut back the drugs, and spend every third day desperately (and oh yes! hysterically!) trying to keep a grip on the nice pretty drugged sanity I have the other two days, BUT possibly sleep more?

I should try lowering the dose, and then decide which state of being is worse. I don't like that I'm actually a little scared to do that. So, not completely apathetic after all. ;)

Anyone have any favorite sleeping remedies to suggest?
 
 
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(no subject) - ornithoptercat on January 30th, 2006 11:12 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - mylittleredgirl on January 30th, 2006 11:48 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - mylittleredgirl on January 30th, 2006 11:44 pm (UTC) (Expand)
thekatebeyond on January 30th, 2006 03:06 pm (UTC)
The problem may resolve over time, like many side effects do. But in the meantime, have you tried a few drops of Valerian tonic in a cup of herbal tea? Valerian works wonders for me. (And don't go messing with your dose without talking to the doctor!)
Little Red: sg - cult - me!mylittleredgirl on January 30th, 2006 11:45 pm (UTC)
Oooh! I will go to the natural foods store and pick some up. I've heard great things about both valerian and kava kava in my time, just momentarily forgot those in my sleepless zombieness. :)
I'm not very interestingastropoet on January 30th, 2006 03:07 pm (UTC)
Don't muck with your meds, speak to the shrink first. It's lovely though when you get peace in your head!

I've written some of my best poetry on prozac, but they affect folks in different ways.
Little Redmylittleredgirl on January 30th, 2006 11:47 pm (UTC)
Gah. My shrink is 3,000 miles away. I guess I should try to call her in a few days when she's in the office. Hrm.
-a.frog/gorf.a-froggoddess on January 30th, 2006 03:12 pm (UTC)
Herbal sleepiness: valarian, kava, skullcap

Natural sleepiness: melatonin

Chemical sleepiness: xanax, ambien

Of all of them, ambien is my favorite -- eight hours of yummy yummy sleep, to wake up feeling oh so happy...
Little Red: b5 - lyta touched - ruugermylittleredgirl on January 30th, 2006 11:50 pm (UTC)
Thank you!! I will look into the nonprescription thinggies first, as I usually prefer the side-effects and I, er, don't have a doctor out here and won't be getting one for at least a few months. Thank you!
Your *Mom*'s A Cylon!: i'm here (awakencordy)astrum_presul on January 30th, 2006 03:30 pm (UTC)
I haven't done any of the research or anything to know if it would work or not with Celexa, but there's Lunesta, which is a sleep-aid.

*hug* I suppose offering you some of my physics to read as a sleep aid wouldn't be very nice, but if it'll help, I'll send some over! :)
Little Red: b5 - lyta touched - ruugermylittleredgirl on January 30th, 2006 11:51 pm (UTC)
HEE! Last night I thought about that, actually! I will hook myself up with some seriously boring Russian Literature Analysis or something... that always used to work!
scottchieur on January 30th, 2006 03:49 pm (UTC)
from the queen of sleep issues himself:

celexa was my very own wonder drug. the only side effect i noticed was that i would have two drinks and be *SMASHED*.

which could be useful for sleeping if you don't get a script for atavan, xanax, ambien, etc. atavan was all i needed to get to sleep; some people have trouble staying asleep, hence the big pharma gods gave us ambien.

benadryl, tylenol pm, etc. might also work for you, but often leave you with a slight "hangover"--that is, you'll have difficulty getting out of bed in the morning, you'll be super-groggy for the first hour of wakefulness, etc.

valerian root, though many people swear by it, does nothing for me except make tea that tastes like dirty socks.

i've never tried melatonin, so that might help.

my suggestion would be to make an appointment with your shrink posthaste, don't fuck with your dose of celexa, try benadryl, valerian, or some other easily-available sleep helper (vodka is also great in a pinch). then discuss what's going on with him/her--what are your options. if celexa really is making you feel that much better, and you don't think it's making you emotionally cold, then you can probably medicate for sleep with ambien, xanax, atavan, etc. although that could make some people nervous: too much medication. that's you and your shrink's call to make.

and i would personally suggest that the sanity gained from celexa, even if you're feeling emotionally distant, is worth hanging onto rather than going in for another round of drug roulette...

/me
ornithoptercatornithoptercat on January 30th, 2006 11:14 pm (UTC)
I recommend against the alcohol route. Getting more drunk more quickly is normal with SSRIs, but it's really hard to predict *how much* more, and alcohol-sleep is not good sleep.
(no subject) - mylittleredgirl on January 30th, 2006 11:57 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - mylittleredgirl on January 30th, 2006 11:56 pm (UTC) (Expand)
ex_spockette108 on January 30th, 2006 03:57 pm (UTC)
Oh, I get the weird-sleep thing all the time. What dosage of the Celexa are you on and how long have you been on it? It could just be one of the side-effects you get whilst your body adjusts to the new amount of drugs in your system and will go away by itself. What I find helps - having a very dark bedroom (at uni, I hang a blanket over my window at night to block out the light that bleeds through from the curtains), going to bed at the same time every night and listening to talk-radio or an audiobook. The audiobook especially helps because it lets me just drift off to sleep instead of stressing out over not sleeping. I usually play it quite quietly - loud enough to hear, but quiet enough that it won't wake me up. Anyway, you might like to try that (if you still have my audible username and password, you are welcome to snag some of the new stuff I have if you want it). It also works for blocking out outside noises that can keep you awake.

Other people are speaking to you of sleep-drugs (herbal and otherwise), which is good for I know nothing of them other than that herbal Nytol smells and tastes like ass and doesn't work, but I will also recommend aromatherapy. I have this pillow mist "sleep easy" spray that is peppermint and nutmeg and it is very soothing.

*clings tightly*

(oooh, do you want Doctor Who, btw? For I have all episodes of season 27 plus the Children In Need special, Attack of the Graske and TCI on my 'puter and you will like it.... *tempts*)
Little Red: b5 - lyta touched - ruugermylittleredgirl on January 31st, 2006 12:00 am (UTC)
I am on 30mgs, and have been on it for almost a month.

I have been avoiding the audiobook thing because I need to put in earplugs to stay asleep (my roommates stay up much later than me and play TV in the next room, and our walls are very thin, and we are right by a big road). However, I will try sticking earphones in my ears instead and see if that works!

And ooooh. I will try to find your password somewheres and raid your audible things. *tackles you with love* Those are so excellent!

Doctor Whooooo! You know, someone may have already sent me some of those episodes! I will need to check on some things that got lost in shuffle, but eee, I will start watching them if I find them and then come to you for more. :)
רותם שחר (Ro): dance 2roothekittykat on January 30th, 2006 04:12 pm (UTC)
tea? I love tea! drink tea! :D
Little Redmylittleredgirl on January 31st, 2006 12:12 am (UTC)
YAY TEA!! I agree. I must go purchase sleepytime. :)
(no subject) - roothekittykat on January 31st, 2006 03:39 am (UTC) (Expand)
Stef: SGA Shep/Weir Will Not Kiss - by jrmoonstef94 on January 30th, 2006 04:18 pm (UTC)
If you go for sleeping aids, be very very careful with the chemical type.
Most of them (and in my limited experience especially Xanax) are addictive. I've seen people pop them like they were M&M's. This is not a good thing.
I use Temazepam for my insomnia, which gets addictive when you use it for more than 14 days in a row. I agreed with the Doc to only use it a maximum of three times a week (Sunday night, Tuesday night and Thursday night to get me through the working week), and try to avoid using it two nights in a row. Usually I'm alright using it only once or maybe twice though. It helps me pull my 'sleep patterns' back to something resembling normal.

I have used Valerian root pills of the variety available in any homeopathic store. It gave me nightmares and really weird assed dreams that made me feel more exhausted in the mornings.

As for the dosage of the brain drugs, I know nothing much about it all. Just that it takes 8 weeks or more for your body to adjust to new brian drugs and brain drug dosage. I'd say, keep that in mind and talk to your doc :-)

*Hugs you*

Glad to hear you're doing okay otherwise :-)
Little Red: b5 - all alone in the night - thatfangirmylittleredgirl on January 31st, 2006 12:14 am (UTC)
I haven't yet been on it for 8 weeks -- that's a good point. I upped the dose about four and a half weeks ago.

I really appreciate your thoughts -- I am wary of prescription sleep aids totally for that reason.

I think settling my sleep patterns will help A LOT, so I'll try to find something that can help me with that.

*hugs you lots*
letters from a hurricanepirateelmo on January 30th, 2006 04:49 pm (UTC)
I'd say try dealing with the insomnia before nixing the drug. It's a pain in the ass to find a new drug that makes your head how you want it to be, so don't be in too much of a hurry to start over (though by all means, start over when it's clear that you need to.) Every drug has side effects, so you can either try to deal with this or you can try to deal with something exciting from a new drug.

Ambien works well for me, but you have to be careful with any sleep medication that you don't take it too often, because they become addictive (ambien has not been proven to be terribly addictive, but the testing wasn't exactly thorough.) Benadryl is not particularly addictive, but whenever it comes up in the presence of sleep researchers they all start having seizures and yelling about how awful it is, though I'm not sure why, so you might want to research it. Alcohol will put you to sleep, but it disrupts your sleep patterns, so I don't recommend it - chances are you'll wake up a lot in the middle of the night, and even if you don't it still fucks with your REM cycle.

One of the important issues in treatment of insomnia is the psychological effect - if you lay in bed thinking about how you can't get to sleep, you'll start to get frustrated and even kinda anxious, and that activates your sympathetic nervous system, which further inhibits your ability to fall asleep. If you find yourself starting to feel that way, the best advice is to do something else for a little bit. Some people think it's best to get out of bed for a bit (it's important not to begin to associate your bed with frustration and anxiety, because then you'll start getting worked up every time you get in bed, even when you're tired), though I find reading in bed takes my mind off things okay. Either way, make sure you limit the amount of light you see as much as possible, because that will inhibit up your melatonin release and make it even harder to fall asleep - read by the dimmest light possible (I use candles), and try to avoid computers if you can. If you watch TV, don't sit too close.

See, sleep research is kinda useful.
Little Red: b5 - lyta touched - ruugermylittleredgirl on January 31st, 2006 12:18 am (UTC)
Oh my God, yes. I was just wanting to try lowering the dose to the dosage I had a month ago to see if it would be a happy medium of yay benefits and side effects. I definitely want to take care of the insomnia and hold onto the good things this drug has given me.

Omg, sleep research!! YAY! I knew you would know these things. :) I won't use benadryl, because I had a bad reaction to it once and am skeered of it, but will try the herbal route and the Tylenol PM route. I think that if I manage to just get on a sleep cycle for two weeks with outside help, I should be able to maintain it. That's my hope, anyway. ;)

I have been reading in bed. It doesn't help me to sleep nowadays -- though it always used to -- but it DOES keep me from getting all flail-y and frustrated.

*lovelovelove*
(no subject) - pirateelmo on January 31st, 2006 12:46 am (UTC) (Expand)
dark_cygnetdark_cygnet on January 30th, 2006 10:08 pm (UTC)
As a sufferer of chronic insomnia, i feel your pain. If your meds are new, might just be adjusting to it. Talk to your doctor and see what they say, they might have some recommendations. My insomnia normally is my mind won't shut off. The body is willing but not the rest. *g* Here are some things that have helped me out with trying to get to sleep.

*A really dark room. Get some heavy duty curtains or drape the windows with a blanket at night.

*Temperature is important. I find that keeping my room a little cooler helps quite a bit. You can use a fan (The white noise is good too)or turn the furnace down at night. But not to where you're freezing. *g*

*music played at a low volume helps sometimes. So does going through a mental body check which i learned in meditation class. You start at the top of your head and work your way down your body-this includes everything,eyes, mouth tongue and so on-to your toes, conciously making each part of your body relax and untense. Its amazing how you think you're relaxed and you're really not.

*Sounds silly but turn your clock around so you can't see it. Time watching does nothing but get you frustrated as you see time passing by and you not sleeping.

I could go on and on but i won't. Hope something helps you out, i know how insomnia can make your life suck big time. Good luck!
Little Red: b5 - all alone in the night - thatfangirmylittleredgirl on January 31st, 2006 12:20 am (UTC)
Your advice is so good! Yes. Must needs darken room somehow or acquire an eyemask.

I don't think it's adjusting to the meds, necessarily, because I've been on them for a few months and been on this dosage for a month already. However, I know it sometimes takes longer than that, so I might hang on. GAH. It sucks that there are evil side effects! I like SOME of what it's doing to me so much that I want to stay on it if I can find a way to manage the other things... and because even with the insomnia and the fact that I have become all bitchy and heartless and non-writer-y, it's still much more pleasant to be in my brain now than without it!

*lovelovelove*
nanda नान्दाnandamai on January 30th, 2006 10:21 pm (UTC)
Anyone have any favorite sleeping remedies to suggest?

Trazodone. Best thing evah. Prescription-only. And go see your doctor before lowering any doses.
Little Red: b5 - all alone in the night - thatfangirmylittleredgirl on January 31st, 2006 12:22 am (UTC)
My doctor is sadly on the other side of the country, and I can't afford to get one out here. I figured that since I was only going back to a dose that I was on before that it would be okay, and I wouldn't need to bother her. But maybe she'll have other suggestions.

Thank you, though! I haven't heard of that med before. I will keep it in mind if the doctors reccomend going that route.
Finova: My Cultalosersdream on January 30th, 2006 10:43 pm (UTC)
The Hippie Meathods
It is in no way proven (that's probably not a word) by science (that I know of) but Amber would give me warm milk with some little red spices, saffron I think, which was always very soothing.

Gira always tells me I should just do Yoga Nidra, and relax my body. I don't know that it works, but it has always seemed like a good idea.

I agree with the dark-dark place suggestion. Light is my enemy when I can't get to sleep.

Journaling has been the remedy for my over-active brain. I just try to write out whatever is bothering me, or taking up space in my brain, and then I'm free (enough) of thoughts to fall asleep.

*Hugs* and *Love*
Little Sis
Little Red: trek - beverly - viresse_iconsmylittleredgirl on January 31st, 2006 12:25 am (UTC)
ah, sleepy hippies
I like hippie methods the best!

The mental relaxation stuff really hasn't been working at all. It's like my brain just refuses to do anything helpful towards sleep. But journaling really can be helpful, though it sometimes wakes me up more, and I like the warm milk idea (my mom says the same thing, only she likes putting cardamom in it).

I love you, sis. Gira asked me yesterday if you and I have the same weird brain (she didn't phrase it that way, but it had to do with the OCD thing, and because I started telling her just how weird the world looks from the inside of my head). I wonder sometimes. Perhaps our genetics somehow bled through our spiritual sisterhood.

*love always*
ornithoptercatornithoptercat on January 30th, 2006 11:17 pm (UTC)
Oh, also: you're probably overtired at this point. That's when you're like omgsotired and sleep deprived, but can't go to sleep. Just getting one or two good nights of sleep may be enough to reset it.
Little Red: b5 - all alone in the night - thatfangirmylittleredgirl on January 31st, 2006 12:25 am (UTC)
*nodnodnod* YES. I got one good night of sleep, but that sadly wasn't enough. So, will continue trying for two. :)

*lots of love*