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15 February 2007 @ 07:53 pm
more doom, and The Joy Of Trek  
The wisdom teeth saga continues! ZOMG. Passed out at work today from ze pain -- liek, full-on face-on-floor passing out -- and sister had to come and rescue me. And so I go back to the dentist all omgwtf, I was totally getting better, and she sticks tweezers in my mouth and grabs BONES, and is all "er... I have never seen anyone heal as slowly as you. No, really, not ever." She has no clue why, which makes me feel rather defective. Anyway, they gave me another buck-up-little-soldier speech and took x-rays to prove that my jaw is indeed human, or something.

AND I don't even get any more vicodin, because apparently HAVING A LIVER is more important than remaining conscious, WHATEV, MAKE IT STOP, PLZ. I mean, I'm all for not ingesting lots of addictive chemicals, but I'm also all for being able to stick it out at work all day.

Let us talk about something FUNNER, like how Voyager season 3 is currently airing on your friendly Spike network, and it is the best thing evarr. Everyone is HAPPY and there is such limited angst and Janeway and Chakotay are totally dating. They are! They, like, go sailing on the holodeck and go to crew parties together! It's like the season of everyone hanging out and being a happy stranded family.

The series seems very different to me now, though, and not just because I find myself holding my breath and waiting to see where it All Went Wrong (i.e., when Janeway started going bonkers and Chakotay got bored and Harry Kim started reading a really good book and never did anything interesting ever again, etc). For example, Tuvok is suddenly my favorite character, and I was bored by him as a teenager. I pay a lot more attention to Vulcans since Enterprise. Don't you just feel awful for Tuvok, though? Stuck on the ship of fools with the only other Vulcan (Vorik) being kind of a childish weenie, and everybody else making fun of him all the damned time and telling him to loosen up?

After watching "Unity" -- a much better episode than I remember -- sister and I pulled out the DVDs and watched "The Best of Both Worlds" again, since Wolf 359 was mentioned in the Voyager episode, and it would have been so. cool. if Admiral Hansen had been one of the ex-Borg. That episode has lingering power, because we both yelped "I'M SCARED!" as soon as the first few notes of the episode soundtrack started to play. Good. Episode. (I have always loved Shelby, by the way.)

It made us start thinking about how Wolf 359 is totally The Pivotal Moment that changes the Federation from what it was -- idealistic, friendly and complacent -- into what it became headed toward the Maquis, the Dominion War, blah blah blah Federation version of 9/11-cakes. However, because it is SUCH an important moment all across the Federation that keeps being brought up, I started wondering -- where was everyone? We know where the Enterprise crew was, and Sisko, but... where was Dax, for instance? She would still have been Curzon, right? Where was Janeway? Chakotay would still have been in Starfleet. Harry Kim -- who is about Wesley Crusher's age, I think -- would have been about to enter the Academy.

I'm sure a million other people -- probably lots of ficwriters -- have thought of this before, but I find it cool how the timelines of the different series interact.

Discuss things about Star Trek with me, pleez, so I do not feel all alone in my geekiness!
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entertaining in a disturbing way: co-official batshitlyssie on February 16th, 2007 04:54 am (UTC)
Mmm. Trek.

Roommate says, vitamins!

Sadly, I have nothing of consequance to say.
Little Red: trek - enterprise porn - liminallizmylittleredgirl on February 16th, 2007 05:25 am (UTC)
Trek is hardcore awesome. :) I've been watching Old Trek as well, all snazzed up with new special effects (which is totally awesome, because the ridiculous attention to maintaining everything being exactly the same while updating it to CGI is just... dewd, some intern sat there counting stars). It's totally love.

Apparently, I need more food. I'm all "... but you just told me not to CHEW." Things I have learned: baby food comes in very small portions.

:) *loffs you and your icons*
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Jainabrightcupenny on February 16th, 2007 05:14 am (UTC)
I have always loved Shelby, by the way.

Did you ever try any of Peter David's New Frontier books? Cause she's a big main character in them. And also, they're pretty good.

Er. I'm trying to think of other Star Trek things to talk about, but with Voyager I just always end up flailing about the one with the Nazis on the Holodeck, and I know I've done that in your journal before.

The thing with Voyager is, I always *wanted* them to be this big happy stranded family. With, like, sleepovers and cookouts and stuff. Like first-season Lantis! But it never seemed to quite work out that way. They tried to make an effort to include recurring characters and stuff but it just never quite gelled. Which makes me sad, cause I am all about the happy stranded families. *hugs her Earth2 DVDs*
Little Red: trek - naomi wildman - jen717mylittleredgirl on February 16th, 2007 05:31 am (UTC)
You can always flail about that episode in my journal! ALWAYS. Because it is totally pure love. I adore Kathryn's restaurant liek whoa, and... OMG IT IS SO GOOD. And Janeway is the Maquis! And B'Elanna is whoring herself out to the enemy! And there is lounge singing, which is my dream career, omg. I so want to be a chanteuse draped over a piano, and if it could be in a resistance cell in war-torn holographic alien FRANCE, so much the better.

We should totally talk about that episode some more. :)

OOOH! I totally didn't know Shelby was in those! I love Peter David and am ashamed to say I haven't read any of those. I see a trip to the library in my future. :)

Voyager WAS that big happy stranded family... in SEASON THREE. With the crazy beach holoprogram, and being really between bad guys, because Seska is dead, no more Kazon, Vidiians are gone by mid-season, and Borg are not yet there. That's totally the Voyager I remember. I get all warmfuzzy about the first three seasons. :)

They never did the recurring character bit the way DS9 did. That show is just... a whole community, and it's crazy. Morn gets his own episode.
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Little Red: trek - first love imzadi - leyennmylittleredgirl on February 16th, 2007 05:26 am (UTC)
Hee! Last night, sister started wailing about how she REMEMBERED being like seven and having to wait THE WHOLE SUMMER and PICARD MIGHT BE DEAD OMG!

The terror remains with us, because we were all "OMG PUT IN THE NEXT DVD! PUT IT IN FASTER! NO BATHROOM BREAKS!" Hee.
Ryuu: penni_ann: Stargatekarma_aster on February 16th, 2007 05:49 am (UTC)
Picard-focused episodes were really generally great. Chain of Command? So the way Abyss shoulda been done. I mean, I love RDA, don't get me wrong, but had he turned in even half the performance of Patrick Stewart in Chain of Command, Abyss would have been a much stronger episode.

My favorite of the spin-offs still remains DS9, although I've realized that Voyager was really a far better series than I gave it credit for being at the time. The episode where the Doctor creates a holographic family? Robert Picardo's acting actually brought me to tears at the end of that one. It's just such a simple, powerfully-done story about nothing important but also amazingly profound and life-altering all at the same time.

Actually, looking back at it, the vast majority of my favorite Trek episodes are character-based ones. Miri, City on the Edge of Forever, Data's Day, In Theory, It's Only a Paper Moon, the TNG one where they all go home and deal with family stuff after the Borg, and that aforementioned one with the Doctor's holographic family.
Little Red: trek - sisko niners - nos'mylittleredgirl on February 16th, 2007 07:57 am (UTC)
I love Chain of Command. Sister and I were banned from only two episodes as kids: "Conspiracy," because it would scare us too much to have our beloved Federation be POSSESSED AND EVIL, and then "Chain of Command." Sister still can't handle that one, but I think it's incredible. Just. WOAH. There's really nothing more that can be said, because Picard's scenes with the Cardassian are so complete and perfect. I always wonder about Worf & Beverly back on the ship, though. The post-ep I've always really wanted to read would be Crusher saying to Picard that, even though she forgave him long ago, she finally got what it was like for him to leave Jack behind.

Character-based stuff is really awesome! I especially love it when they manage to have great character moments *during* crazy action episodes -- DS9 was especially good at that, although they also really liked to take time out for nothing but character development ("Looking For Par'Mach..." comes to mind...). My favorite DS9 episodes are mostly Sisko-as-Emissary related ones.

I'll have to watch "In Theory" again, because as a kid I couldn't stand it -- it just made me crawl out of my skin with embarrassment. I have a hard time dealing with characters doing embarrassing things on the show -- a lot of holographic Doctor moments also used to wig me out -- but I think I'm a bit over that now. :) I'll watch it and let you know!
a universal sigh: Ent - Mirror!T'Pol - live longnaushika on February 16th, 2007 06:00 am (UTC)
Dude, I am all about Trek. I catch Voyager when I can, though I'm normally not home when it's on, or asleep for the 1am showings. Though today I did watch that episode about Harry almost having the life sucked out of him through his PENIS.

I am completely with you about Voyager being a TOTALLY DIFFERENT SHOW now that I am not 14 anymore. I like completely different characters! And now I spend entire episodes making fun of Chakotay because I really feel he is the lamest first officer EVER. Also, Janeway is the man in their relationship, for sure. I feel if their interactions were gender-reversed there would be omg sexual harassment suits because she is ALL OVER HIM and basically she is butch. It's funny. Also, I might be alone in these feelings.

I love Tom Paris like craaaaaazy. I hated him when I was a teenager, but now I see he is clearly the best character on the whole damn show. And I love Tuvok, too. Yay Vulcans.

Wolf 359 is the most awesome story point in like all of Trek. I always loved the bit about Sisko totally hating Picard and blaming his wife's death on him.
Little Red: trek - janeway heaven earth - kabutarmylittleredgirl on February 16th, 2007 08:16 am (UTC)
Though today I did watch that episode about Harry almost having the life sucked out of him through his PENIS.

That episode was so OLD TREK, and then it became all X-Files. HILARITY.

As far as Voyager characters go... I find myself working harder to make them not seem as lame as they sometimes do, actually, because I'm trying to still see them as I used to. :)

A LOT of stuff on Voyager gets wiggy if you imagine gender-reversal. Like "Blood Fever"? Can you even IMAGINE what people would say if Tuvok had ordered a female crew member to have SEX with someone?

Chakotay is not only the woman in the relationship, he's, liek, an old-fashioned woman who dotes and pines and widow-walks for a zillion years. I'm just saying. Though that is kinda sweet, in a way, and does make his moments of spinefulness all the more welcome.

You hated Tom Paris!? OMG, he was my teevee boyfriend from DAY ONE. I find him less interesting this time around -- probably because I've been preoccupied with other characters -- but I will now pay more attention again. :)

I always loved the bit about Sisko totally hating Picard and blaming his wife's death on him.

YES. And really, Wolf 359 was kind of THE turning point for both Picard & Sisko, so that just proves how intense a thing it was.
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redbeardredbeard on February 16th, 2007 06:11 am (UTC)
OMGWTFCTM! Your immune system needs to be kicked in the arse! Feel better, lass. I'll drink a health to ye!

Pi is soon - pie has curative powers. You will be made well, if it's the last thing all of us do.

As for voy, well, um, you know my feeling there.

But lately, I've been feeling a serious need to rewatch all of DS9 (and LR totally wants to, as well - she is a trekkie as well - I thought you might approve).
Little Red: trek - sisko niners - nos'mylittleredgirl on February 16th, 2007 08:18 am (UTC)
I will TOTALLY be well by pi, or THERE WILL BE A RIOT. The dentist today started making noises about how if certain parts heal faster than others she might need to SURGICALLY REOPEN THE WOUNDS, and I just stared at her. She was like "Yeah... we should work to avoid that, because your month has sucked enough already."

I have been LR for so long -- for Little Red -- that it TOTALLY wigs out that there is another LR out there with MORE CLAIM to those initials. EEK. *gets over it*

Watching all of DS9 again is SUUUUCH a good plan. DO EET. You will notice so many things that you never did before, and it's so supremely excellent.
jammer0307jammer0307 on February 16th, 2007 06:12 am (UTC)
Janeway went crazy when she allied herself with the DAMN BORG, of all species! At least that's IMHO.
Little Red: trek - janeway heaven earth - kabutarmylittleredgirl on February 16th, 2007 08:19 am (UTC)
I keep hoping that the Borg Years are not going to suck as much as I remember them sucking. I'm trying to keep an open mind and see if I can find some sort of justification for the WTF-ness that is about to ensue.
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Clydesuzvoy on February 16th, 2007 09:14 am (UTC)
Oh man, Wolf 359 :-|
live the life you've imaginedcalleigh_j on February 16th, 2007 09:40 am (UTC)
I miss Voyager. It was absolutely my favourite show when I was little - my Dad used to bring home the new episodes on video from a friend at work on Fridays and they were so awesome. The only episode I really properly remember is the one where B'Elanna and Paris go out in spacesuits or something and run out of oxygen and end up kissing whilst floating around in space - probably my first ever *squee* moment.

God, I miss that show *looks to see if she has enough money to go out and buy some of it later*
Samin_parentheses on February 16th, 2007 01:54 pm (UTC)
Oh, honey, I am so sorry you're having so much pain! It will pass eventually, but in the meantime: so much suck. Clearly you must numb/distract yourself with as much sci-fi as possible! (Don't worry about work. It's not like you're deliberately slacking or anything - you're in TREMENDOUS PAIN! I think they need to cut you some slack here.)
you're thinking of mr wizardcleverocity on February 16th, 2007 03:49 pm (UTC)
HAHAHA. I love that you used the bonitis quote. Because that episode had Safety Dance and my old dentist was totally in that band ahahaha. (That is probably only hilarious to me.)

Harry Kim started reading a really good book and never did anything interesting ever again


Also, Star Trek is like the only thing I can enjoy watching now because everything new is spoiled by having to write spoilers about them. I mean, I always read spoilers before, but still. It's weird. Anyway my point(if I have a point) is er, yay Trek? Oh, I didn't have a point after all.

Allie O'N: HotJack1alliesings on February 17th, 2007 03:59 am (UTC)
I still have no trek icons. This is wrongedy-wrong.

And I am also enjoying watching Voyager. I was all squees and sighs over the Chakotay and Janeway go camping episode. But, I too, feel bittersweet about it because I know that TPTB are about to ruin things.