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20 December 2009 @ 10:33 pm
Dear Stargate:  
I just can't quit you.

First, to reward myself for finally going through the stacks of old paperwork cluttering up my craft area, I put on my all-time favorite Stargate SG-1 episode: "Redemption." (There's humor! Action! Pathos! Ry'ac! More humor!)

Then, because it got linked off something someone shared on my Google reader, I read all the Stargate articles at "The Hathor Legacy," which discuss in detail how Sam Carter is either the best or worst thing to happen to women on television, and also, how Janet Fraiser was always really cool.

Then I started rereading old unfinished fic, and now I want to finish "Second Chances," the post-Heroes-meets-parallel-universe-technobabble-angstfest thing I started writing back in 2004. It got derailed by some combination of going on psychiatric medication and realizing that I'd written the first 30,000 words or so entirely from Daniel's point of view, and in order to continue the story I needed to be able to follow everybody else around, too. So, probably rewriting is needed. Also -- my angst was a lot wordier back then, and much more dramatic. People had a lot of anguish clawing their hearts. (Not to mention the technobabble craze I seemed to be on -- I wrote pages about the detailed workings of a differential quantum resonance frequency compensator, and I'm pretty sure we can call that a symptom of mania.)

So. Yikes. I don't take on big creative projects anymore, really, and I'm not sure how to attack it, aside from setting aside time and trying to remember all the plot points. Do I rewrite first? Plow forward with the POV madness as it is and call it a draft? Actually write an outline? Can I just forget about writing it, watch "Rite of Passage" a few times, and move on?

Oh, STARGATE.
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MegTDJ: SPN - Ruby GC freaked outmeg_tdj on December 21st, 2009 07:27 am (UTC)


I'm actually sitting here watching Stargate as I read this post. Did I travel back in time or something? Is it 5 years ago?? :0

Anyway, yay!! I hope you can figure out how to reapproach it! Who knows, you might start a Dan/Jan chain reaction. ;)
Little Red: sg - dan/jan lifeboat otp - anrmylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 02:25 am (UTC)
LOL I know, it's totally 5 years! I found some other fics that should not see the light of day, like the one where Janet decides to fake a relationship with Daniel in order to distract the base gossip mill from speculating about Sam and Jack, and Daniel is like "OMGWTFBBQ!?" and then later is like "WAIT, YOU ARE PRETTY." Pretty much like that. ;)

And yes! Chain reaction!! I think I'm going to watch Rite of Passage tonight to generate some squeee. :)
Havochavocthecat on December 22nd, 2009 02:48 am (UTC)
Um, you know, forgive me for hijacking every single comment thread you have going, but that fic sounds pretty damn awesome. :)
Little Red: b5 - ivanova oven - crazybeemylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 03:15 am (UTC)
It might or might not have been based on the Bonnie Raitt song "Something to Talk About."

And, well, I actually laughed a bit while I was reading it, so maybe that should go on the crackfic back burner too. AUGHHHH. STARGATE CRACK.
Fallon Ash: samfallon_ash on December 21st, 2009 09:34 am (UTC)
Stargate! Sam Carter! Eeeeee!!!
Little Red: sg - sj monastery - elly427mylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 02:26 am (UTC)
OH SAM! I love her and all her cuteness. :) Those articles are, as Lyssie points out, severely against Sam's later-season character development, but somehow it made me love her more?
Fallon Ash: sam carter weirdfallon_ash on December 22nd, 2009 10:37 am (UTC)
I read some of the articles, and I can see what you mean about it making me as well love her more... Like you can't hold the stupidity of what the writers put her through against her awesomeness! (Of course, technically I haven't gotten to the later seasons yet, I just watched 5x07 - Beast of Burden - but I've cheated and watched some later Sam-centric episodes out of order.) The entire fandom is so shiny and new to me, but since everyone else has been doing it for 13 years there's so much *stuff* everywhere. I love it!
entertaining in a disturbing way: Sam Vala otplyssie on December 21st, 2009 01:34 pm (UTC)
*manages three articles, then backs away from the Sam-bashing*

Apparently, they are watching a vastly different version of SG-1 than I did.

You should continue! Or work on an outline. I am torn on that, as I'm not really an outliner (it tends to make me not finish stuff), but they are useful.
Little Red: sg - x-files - lizmylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 02:31 am (UTC)
I know! I should have warned about the Sam-bashing, but it slipped my mind. I was also a little "!!" when I was reading it, because, well, I also think Sam is kind of neurotic and wish the show would allow her to be a little less Perfect sometimes, but then I was like WAIT HOLD YOUR HORSES, THAT PART OF HER WAS TOTALLY OKAY, AND I STILL LOVE HER EVEN IF SHE IS A BIT NEUROTIC, YOU GUYS! So somehow the Sam bashing made me see her in a different way and get all excited about her again. My brain fires in weird ways! (So, forgive me for the link, yes?)

I'm not really an outliner (it tends to make me not finish stuff)

THIS EXZACTLY. Before brain meds, I used to write to figure out what would happen!! But I feel like I'm writing with a totally different brain, and I actually did know once upon a time where I wanted this story to go, so maybe I should take a stab at outlining? But I think writing from this point on might be good, and just forget about the relentless Daniel angst until I do a nice rewrite (and divide the angst more evenly).
entertaining in a disturbing way: Jenna princesslyssie on December 22nd, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
I think the best was one of them was all "Sam is so totally the Male Fantasy Woman, but Vala isn't! Vala is all sassy and cool and has cleavage, which is awesome!" with literally NO IRONY IMPLIED. I was all O.o

See, continuing on is usually best, I think. It means you reach the end and then you have the beginning to go massacre/edit.
Little Red: sg - x-files - lizmylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 02:50 am (UTC)
Sam is totally the nerd fantasy woman. There is a difference. :-D

I think the articles turned around at one point and were like "ZOMG MAKE VALA STOP." So that woman's love is fickle and/or the articles were written by more than one person. I think the reason why I enjoyed reading them is that I always want to be on Sam's side, but I do agree that sometimes I felt like the show was sorta forcing her perfection on me, which made me go "ARGH SAM STOP DOING THAT." And so I like being able to be on the "WAIT SAM IS GREAT AND I LOVE HER" side of the argument. It makes me feel all righteous. I'm allowed to not love everything she does and still want to squeeze her with love and, like, fictional happiness dammit.
entertaining in a disturbing way: Scully and the Pen of Doomlyssie on December 22nd, 2009 05:47 am (UTC)
Pfft. So is Vala. I mean, seriously, leather and cleavage and sexual availability? That's everything that they're selling in video games and comicbooks.

And I do have some issues with Sam being 'too' perfect. I love that she's fallible, though.

Though, to be honest? Jack and Daniel are just as Perfect, if not more so. Even Teal'c is a bit of a Mary Sue.
Little Red: sg - jonas dork - lindir_jaxmylittleredgirl on December 26th, 2009 07:05 pm (UTC)
Oh, yes. I totally agree. It's not a subtle show -- if the bad guys are archetypes, the good guys probably are too. :)
Havochavocthecat on December 21st, 2009 01:59 pm (UTC)
I have no idea how you should approach that fic. I'm sorry! I just wanted to say that I really loved it and, um. Yeah. Daniel/Janet rules.

Stargate. *sigh* Keeps breaking my heart, but I keep going back to the old stuff anyway.
Little Red: sg - dan/jan lifeboat otp - anrmylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 02:39 am (UTC)
Oh, Stargate. It does keep breaking my heart!! Until it stopped doing that, because I stopped watching.

Daniel/Janet is the ship that kinda sneaks up on me. Because I forget about it, and even disagree with it, and come up with lots of reasons why I was freebasing the space crack while I wrote all those fics about them, and then I see someone's icon and go "EEEEEEEEEE." :) SURPRISE EEEEE.
Havoc: janet is goofyhavocthecat on December 22nd, 2009 02:46 am (UTC)
Oh, there are a MILLION reasons why it shouldn't work. But I still love it. And I still write it and read it and make grabby hands anytime any one mentions even a HINT of Daniel/Janet, because I don't even CARE, I love it anyway. I don't know why.

And I stopped watching Stargate for the same reason. Stupid PTB.
Little Red: sg - dan/jan lifeboat otp - anrmylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 03:14 am (UTC)
YES! IT IS UNEXPLAINED SQUEEE!! But it's a great excuse to write Janet being the voice of reason (as she always is), and Cassie being well-adjusted and snarky, and Daniel being bewildered by scary Fraiser women!! What's not to love!?!?!????

*grabby hands*

MUST UPLOAD MORE DAN/JAN ICONS THAT I PROBABLY HAVE STORED SOMEWHERE.
pellucid: D/J hand holdpellucid on December 21st, 2009 01:59 pm (UTC)
now I want to finish "Second Chances,"

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hadn't thought about that fic in a very long time, and I'd certainly given up on the idea that you might ever return to it, but if you did, just...omg!!!
Havochavocthecat on December 22nd, 2009 02:47 am (UTC)
Now if only there were some kind of bribe we could offer, like, "What kind of fanfic do you want in exchange for finishing that OHYESPLEASENOW?"
Little Red: peanuts - cut that outmylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 03:12 am (UTC)
HEEE!! Well, fic always inspires fic, so should you decide to start writing some SG-1 fic...

Though you remind me that people did like this story back then, even with how crazy wordy it was. So perhaps I'll go back to wordy angst and lots of technobabble because that was totally fun! :)
Little Red: sg - dan/jan lifeboat otp - anrmylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 02:52 am (UTC)
I KNOW! I FEEL THE SAME WAY!

Really, I do. Though damn, SG1 in that fic was a hot mess of depression. This must have been before I started being nice to characters.

ALSO: ICON. YAY.
Ridiculously Fanatic: 12 designated driver by chlexnel_ani on December 21st, 2009 06:59 pm (UTC)
STARGATE! ♥ Redemption is so so good.

Also, I love your icon.

Little Red: sg - jonas dork - lindir_jaxmylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 02:54 am (UTC)
anr made it, of course. :) Everything she touches is so fabulous!

Redemption makes me so happy. Ry'ac in a glider! The Russians! We blew up the Stargate! Anubis at his most ridiculous!
Ridiculously Fanatic: diplomatic Corin by suzvoy (bday)nel_ani on December 24th, 2009 07:12 pm (UTC)
OMG! And I love that icon too!

I also have a special place in my heart for Redemption because that's when I started liking Rodney. ♥
Abusus non tollit usum: SparkleSamlavidaessueno on December 21st, 2009 07:40 pm (UTC)
I love me some Sam Carter.

Personally, I opt for the finish writing and fix it later approach. I'm a writer who constantly revises and reworks, which means my pieces have pretty good openings and then get dropped about halfway through.
Little Red: sg - x-files - lizmylittleredgirl on December 22nd, 2009 03:01 am (UTC)
Yeah, I totally revise as I go, because I'm just... really not good at editing. I don't know how to make major changes, because the story pours out of my brain in kind of one go. But then, I think I approach writing differently now than I used to, so it makes sense that editing would also have changed. Hope!
mehhhhhh: [SG] D/J what if?cnidarian on March 16th, 2011 09:02 pm (UTC)
Dude, I realise that this is totally not a good time, but I would be ALL FOR you carrying on with this. At some point. Oh, would I ever!

*squishes you*