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18 March 2005 @ 11:52 pm
and then my life was complete.  
pants!verse is going to be referenced in an academic paper.

HAHAHAHAHA.

*ahem*

The paper, which will be written by nenya_kanadka, is a linguistics paper no less (extra squeee!). She's talking about the use of ! to compound words in fandom, like pants!verse, mini!otp, evil!sexy!Lizzie, etc. Anyone have any idea where that convention came from or other random geeky knowledge about it to help her out?

... man. I miss linguistics. Also, the pants!verse.
 
 
 
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Little Red: xf - msr original 'ship - liminallizmylittleredgirl on March 19th, 2005 05:08 am (UTC)
The first time I encountered it was in the X-Files fandom, too.

A great many things hail from there, so it sounds plausible. And hee. Kevlar!Mulder. *snickers*
nenya_kanadka on March 19th, 2005 05:31 am (UTC)
So--would Kevlar!Mulder be Mulder-who-comes-back-from-death-a-lot, or invincible!Mulder, that sort of thing?
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nenya_kanadka on March 19th, 2005 06:52 am (UTC)
Oh...right. Me being too metaphorical again. It often seems to me that when the ! convention is used with an item (of clothing, or whatever) instead of with an adjective, that it's used symbolically--say, leatherpants!Draco or whatever. So "kevlar!Mulder" sounds like a variation on "action!Mulder", to me. What do you think?
Stef: M/S Baseball Fly - by sombras_azulesstef94 on March 19th, 2005 08:33 am (UTC)
It's funny how so many things that are now standard across fandoms seem to come from the good ol' X-Files fandom..

NEXT TIME I'M IN CHURCH, PLEASE NO PHOTOS: {xf}; bring it ondaygloparker on March 19th, 2005 05:07 am (UTC)
I, too, first heard it in the XF fandom.
Melyanna: Geeky (from Sreya)melyanna on March 19th, 2005 05:19 am (UTC)
I remembered reading about this before, as the exclamation point convention is something quite common in a fandom I'm passively interested in. This thread discusses it, but doesn't come up with anything conclusive. Some interesting theories, though, ranging from computer programming to X-Files action figures. (I'm inclined to believe the latter, just because it makes me giggle.)

She should consider including LeatherPants!Draco, SuddenlySexy!Ginny, and MagicHair!Hermione as well, because they amuse me. ;)
nenya_kanadka on March 19th, 2005 05:41 am (UTC)
Ooooh, thank you for that link!

I love the Internet. This is exactly the sort of info I need. :)

And ICON LOVE.
Melyanna: Inaramelyanna on March 19th, 2005 05:53 am (UTC)
No problem! And that icon is one of my favorites. ;)

I don't know how it's used in other places around the net, but in Potterverse, the exclamation point convention is used often to indicate some out-of-character trait, or sometimes a commonly held fandom opinion. MagicHair!Hermione would be used when someone's having Hermione actually care what she looks like on a day-to-day basis. SuddenlySexy! is used for a lot of characters, both male and female, though usually in reference to one of the girls developing suddenly over the summer. LeatherPants!Draco is as frightening as it is popular. Abused!Anyone is usually a common fandom occurrence.

...and it occurs to me that you may, in fact, know more about Potterverse than I do, as I don't actually know you. So I'll stop rambling. ;)
nenya_kanadka on March 19th, 2005 06:54 am (UTC)
Actually, no, I don't really hang out in HP fandom, although I hang with people who do. I'm mostly an LOTR and Star Trek/sci-fi gal. But I've seen some of the uses you're referring to. *nods* Have you seen "Ho!Mione"?
nanda नान्दाnandamai on March 19th, 2005 05:19 am (UTC)
I believe it was coined by Autumn Tzysko (sp? something like that) on the X-Files list formerly known as chaos, maybe around 1996 or 1997? I have a fuzzy memory of seeing it for the first time and other people on the list going OOOOOH! What a perfect way to say that!

If not her, then it might have been someone on atx. But I think it was Autumn.
nanda नान्दाnandamai on March 19th, 2005 05:20 am (UTC)
Oh, and its first use might have been Action!Mulder.

Good lord, the random crap I store in my brain.
Little Red: sg - fluffier than thou - lyssiemylittleredgirl on March 19th, 2005 05:22 am (UTC)
With all the random crap stored in the brains of my friendslist, I *knew* someone would know!

And look, now your life, too, will be made complete by being cited in a random academic paper for our geeky fandom knowledge. W00t.
nanda नान्दाnandamai on March 19th, 2005 05:29 am (UTC)
Tell her not to quote me by my username, though, 'k, if she uses it? I am hiding from the academia police.
Little Red: b5 - corps is mother - thatfangirlmylittleredgirl on March 19th, 2005 05:31 am (UTC)
the academia police are fearful, fearful things.

*hides under bed*

(and as she will be getting all the info from here, I'm sure she'll report you as 'an expert source wishing to remain anonymous')
nenya_kanadka on March 19th, 2005 05:46 am (UTC)
*reads* Sure, I can quote you anonymously. :) I can say that 'the first documented use I've been able to find was in the X-Files fandom around 1996 or 1997' or something, and maybe say where it was used (do you know if I could find that XF group online anywhere?) but not who you are. *protects sources*

Had no idea that this had come, as so many things seem to, from the XF fandom, so this is v. useful information. Thank you. :)
nanda नान्दाnandamai on March 19th, 2005 06:04 am (UTC)
The list later changed servers and became x-files@lists.x-files.com. It was the main list in the fandom in the mid-90s, and was connected to Gossamer; it may still be around somewhere. Chaos was the name of the original server, so it was referred to as "the chaos list."

I'm quite sure there are references to it (possibly in its chaos incarnation) in the collection of academic essays called Deny All Knowledge: Reading the X-Files.

And I'm not sure I'd call my memory "documentation." But it might lead you somewhere.
nenya_kanadka on March 19th, 2005 07:03 am (UTC)
Gossamer! Okay, I'm familiar with that. :D

Thanks for the help!
Just a springing future interest: It always goes back to the X Files by Orkatcorvi on March 19th, 2005 12:38 pm (UTC)
I first saw it in X Files fandom, and it probably does go back to Autumn. The only other fandom I'm involved in is SG:1, and it's certainly used there, but like everyone else and my icon have said, it all goes back to the X Files. When I saw it in SG:1, it was just a commonplace way of emphasizing some trait of a character.
tarkheena lizzeeen: xf - who lights my fire? - pwincessliminalliz on March 19th, 2005 05:26 am (UTC)
X-Files. Yup. What they said up there in the comments.
Tammy - never give up, never surrender: Alias - S/V Spysex - besydbesyd on March 19th, 2005 06:01 am (UTC)
Kudos to nanda for dating it. I've been online waaay longer than that, and yet I didn't see the ! in use that way 'til a couple of years ago in Alias fandom ... Action!Vaughn. But my favorite (also in Alias) was No!Augh ... which was an aptly-negative commentary on a character named Noah. :^)
nenya_kanadka on March 19th, 2005 08:08 am (UTC)
The first place *I* heard it was in LOTR fandom, about two years ago--for things like rapist!Boromir or weepy!Legolas. Usually used to denote a particular kind of OOC character, but then it evolved into denoting *any* particular style of char.
nenya_kanadka on March 22nd, 2005 08:40 pm (UTC)
No!Augh ... which was an aptly-negative commentary on a character named Noah. :^)

I want to use this term in my assignment, but I need clarification, since I don't hang out in Alias fandom. Do you mean that he was a minor character, or that he had no personality, or that he was universally hated, or that he was *made* less of a major character in fanfic than he was on the show?

*wonders*
Tammy - never give up, never surrender: Alias - S/V Steam - besydbesyd on March 23rd, 2005 03:09 pm (UTC)
Do you mean that he was a minor character, or that he had no personality, or that he was universally hated, or that he was *made* less of a major character in fanfic than he was on the show?

This makes me giggle, since he kinda fit all of the above. Except I can't remember him being in any fic. Heh.

Noah Hicks was a "guest" character that showed up in Season 1, Episode 18 "Masquerade" as an ex-boyfriend of Syd's. Rumour had it that he was signed for three or four eps but that fandom reviled him so much that his character went out rather permanently in Season 1, Episode 19 "Snowman."

Basically, they ran into each other in the first ep, masked, and by the end of the ep were undercover again (but no longer masked -winkwink-). In the second ep, Noah asked Syd to escape the spy life with him, she considered it, and then she killed a (masked) really bad guy by the end of the ep ... who, unmasked, was (shock!) Noah.

I'm pretty sure Souris coined the term "No!Augh!" in her Television Without Pity (TWoP) recap ... here (and I accidentally left off the second "!" in my first comment, because it's truly No!Augh! anytime it appears) ... and it was snapped up immediately by the rest of the fandom. Besides the fact that Noah stepped into the angst-pot that was S1 Syd/Vaughn, people truly didn't like the character.

Ah, the good old days.
Roxy: smack down!chichiri on March 19th, 2005 12:28 pm (UTC)
So in a nutshell, what exactly are "pants!verse?"
Just a springing future interest: Sam Grinskatcorvi on March 19th, 2005 12:40 pm (UTC)
A wonderful SG:1 universe. Click on the link at the top of the page where you see the word pants!verse, then go read and enjoy.
you're thinking of mr wizard: jedi mindfulnesscleverocity on March 19th, 2005 02:37 pm (UTC)
X-Files is the source of all being. All is made by X-Files and is kept alive by X-Files. All life is X-Files and X-Files is within all.
Little Red: xf - msr original 'ship - liminallizmylittleredgirl on March 19th, 2005 03:14 pm (UTC)
You are so DEEP, man.

*hails holy church of X-Files Mel*